Supporting unpopular theories: 1 mil was Freeza's full power in second form

[Hector]

-When Freeza said his power was 530k, he was referring to his full power in that form. Why was he supposed to mean something different when he talked about his 2nd form?

-Goku (max power pre zenkai: 900.000, didn't expect to get another zenkai, never considered 20x kaioken before fighting 4th form Freeza) stated he might not be able to win only when Freeza transformed again. That would make no sense if 2nd form Freeza was already way above 1 mil.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

-When Freeza said his power was 530k, he was referring to his full power in that form. Why was he supposed to mean something different when he talked about his 2nd form?

That's ignoring the differences in context between them. Freeza specifically referred to his power at the moment when talking about his 2nd form's initial power:

Chapter: 296 (DBZ 102), P8.2-5
Context: after Freeza reaches his second form
Vegeta: “I'm-impossible…How can this be?...”
Gohan: “W-we’ll be killed…”
Kuririn: “Th-this is a nightmare…”
Freeza: “Heh..heheh…Watch out…Now that I’ve turned into this, I won’t be as gentle as before…”

Chapter: 296 (DBZ 102), P9.1-2
Freeza: "At any rate, my power is excessive. Perhaps I've overdone it... Kukkukku... Incidentally, if [my strength] were put into battle power, it would be over 1,000,000, surely..."
Vegeta: “Wh-what!?”

These statements wouldn't make sense if not referring to his current power if he needed to power up further to reach this standard and when the whole context of it is referring to the current situation for the group. By comparison, Freeza's 530k statement is explicitly to hammer in the gap between him and Nail and what he won't use.

Chapter: 286 (DBZ 92), P5.4
Freeza: "My battle power is 530,000. But of course, I don't intend to fight you at full power, so you can relax..."

-Goku (max power pre zenkai: 900.000, didn't expect to get another zenkai, never considered 20x kaioken before fighting 4th form Freeza) stated he might not be able to win only when Freeza transformed again. That would make no sense if 2nd form Freeza was already way above 1 mil.

He said that about 3rd form Freeza, so this point is redundant by default.

 

[Hector]

-Goku (max power pre zenkai: 900.000, didn't expect to get another zenkai, never considered 20x kaioken before fighting 4th form Freeza) stated he might not be able to win only when Freeza transformed again. That would make no sense if 2nd form Freeza was already way above 1 mil.

He said that about 3rd form Freeza, so this point is redundant by default.

But he didn't say the same thing about 2nd Form Freeza.

 

[SSJ2]

But did he ever imply he could beat 2nd form Freeza?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

But he didn't say the same thing about 2nd Form Freeza.

That is irrelevant when, even supposing 2nd form Freeza's power wasn't far above 1mil (which is stupid when he explicitly says it would be read as easily being above 1mil from the start), it would still be solidly above KKX10 Goku and Goku only assumed he could handle x10 at that point. There would be no question he'd lose to 2nd form Freeza without a Zenkai, making it very much a throwaway statement that shouldn't supercede far more solid statements and feats.

 

[GSM123]

-When Freeza said his power was 530k, he was referring to his full power in that form. Why was he supposed to mean something different when he talked about his 2nd form?

It's only revealed Freeza can manipulate his battle power when he powers up in his 2nd form, so his power level should always be registered as 530k in his first form.

[/quote=Chapter: 298 (DBZ 104), P1.3]
Context: Freeza’s still powering up after Gohan’s attack
Gohan: “It…it can’t be…His ki power is getting even stronger…!”
Vegeta: “Ho…how can this be?...To think that he could control his battle power…!”
Freeza: “I’ll return the pain I received many times over…”[/quote]

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Vegeta's comment is about as strange as him telling Krillin to sense 3rd Form Freeza's dormant power.

 

[Papasmurf]

-When Freeza said his power was 530k, he was referring to his full power in that form. Why was he supposed to mean something different when he talked about his 2nd form?

It's only revealed Freeza can manipulate his battle power when he powers up in his 2nd form, so his power level should always be registered as 530k in his first form.

[/quote=Chapter: 298 (DBZ 104), P1.3]
Context: Freeza’s still powering up after Gohan’s attack
Gohan: “It…it can’t be…His ki power is getting even stronger…!”
Vegeta: “Ho…how can this be?...To think that he could control his battle power…!”
Freeza: “I’ll return the pain I received many times over…”

[/quote]

Piccolo said that Freeza's monstrously huge ki got even larger when Freeza powered up in front of Veggie, Gohan and Kuririn though. Just seems like AT being forgetful, especially when Vegeta and the others weren't using Scouters to read his power so you can't even use the "Freeza was just releasing his ki and not unmasking his suppressed ki" or a similar excuse (like you'd use to justify Vegeta and Nappa not knowing how to suppress their ki on Earth, yet powering up anyway).

Vegeta's comment is about as strange as him telling Krillin to sense 3rd Form Freeza's dormant power.

This is even funnier when you consider that Kuririn was the one to sense Perfect Cell's dormant power properly and not Vegeta...

 

[ahill1]

Maybe Vegeta was surprised that Freeza in THAT form could control his battle power, since Freeza himself hinted it's harder to hold back in thay state and that he gets more bloodlust or some shit.

 

[Papasmurf]

Maybe Vegeta was surprised that Freeza in THAT form could control his battle power, since Freeza himself hinted it's harder to hold back in thay state and that he gets more bloodlust or some shit.

It's still pretty stupid either way. If AT had done some proper thinking he'd have worded it as "I can't believe he can still raise his power further...!" or something like that. Why would Vegeta jump to such conclusions? I mean, Freeza even said the explosion attack he used immediately after transforming was just a taste of things to come, so it's not like Freeza somehow has no ki control in that state.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

I know you mentioned Piccolo commenting above, but after his power-up, didn't Krillin also say Freeza's power was higher than expected or something along those lines? Vegeta's comment is still random as fck tho. I like how he went from questioning if it was smart to destroy his scouter to suddenly having the deepest understanding of sensing.

 

[Papasmurf]

I know you mentioned Piccolo commenting above, but after his power-up, didn't Krillin also say Freeza's power was higher than expected or something along those lines? Vegeta's comment is still random as fck tho. I like how he went from questioning if it was smart to destroy his scouter to suddenly having the deepest understanding of sensing.

To be fair, Goku learned the Kamehameha just by watching it despite not even having an understanding of ki beforehand like Tenshithands, learned to sense ki immediately after drinking the Ultra God Water and so on. Vegeta gets called a genius somewhat more than Goku and (for what it's worth) seems to be lagging behind Goku because of things like being too tense or not having had teachers like him according to Super, so while it's questionable, it's not totally bullshit that Vegeta would quickly self-teach himself stuff like that.

Kuririn's comment about Freeza's power was saying something like a "stupendously large ki" or "there's no way we can win against that" (forgot if it was him or Gohan that said the former and latter respectively). I don't think it was about expectations (and can't be fucked to dig up scans).