The Earthlings

[ahill1]

How strong do you have the earthlings at their prime in the manga? Which battle power figure would you assign them when they capped out?

We know that Kuririn is the strongest earthling as late as the Boo saga... and that back in the Freeza's arc, he was considered as an asset against Freeza, whose BP was believed to be 530~600k. He has trained 3 years for the androids and is seen training some more for the 25th Tenkaichi Budokai as he'd be participating.

Tenshinhan and Yamcha have spent a good time around Kaio. Iirc 1 year for the Namekians equals 130 days for Earth, meaning Yamcha spent there 136 days, as he was wished firstly, while Tenshinhan spent 266 days, approximately, more time than Goku spent there. Tenshinhan stated he wouldn't surpass Goku if subjected to the same training and that he'd do some twists here and there and incorporate the teachings to his fighting style iirc. Still, we have no clue about how strong they left Kaio. Yamcha is deemed by himself as the least useful, while Tenshinhan is weaker than Kuririn, but holds a technique that can buy the androids time against Semi Cell.

In the Boo saga Tenshinhan has a badass apparition, nullifying Bootenks' attack aimed at Dende, is complimented by the same Boo as "quite a master", but that's it.

So... estimations?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

I'd say Gero's calculations are a reasonable way of judging them. Going by it, and limiting the SSJ multiplier to 10x at that point as Toriyama intended, I'd say having Ten and Kuririn in the ten millions can work, Yamcha most likely lagging behind significantly in the millions via-scaling. I'd also say it's highly possible to have Boo Arc Kuririn stronger than his Cell Arc self since the timeline would suggest there were about 2-3 years before he and #18 started a relationship in which he could've used them to train, plus that alleviates having to keep Ten so far behind him in the Cell Arc. Even then, however, he'd at best end up at 50% Freeza level, given how even in Super he still feared Freeza's power in FnF when the highest he'd seen Freeza prior was his Mecha self.
Of course, you could always argue Gero's calculations mean absolutely nothing, given he believed Goku would stop making consistently large gains after the Saiyan Arc even after having taken a punch to the face from a Goku who's battle power was at least above 3 million. I'd still say it's a better route than basing their training gains on nothing, though I can understand the argument of them not making great increases after the Freeza Arc due to the limits of Earthly training and still being presented as solidly below the Base Saiyans.

Counting the Shin Kikoho though, Ten ought to be at least above #16 based on it being capable of budging Cell and Cell even commenting on it causing him trouble. His Boo Arc Shin Kikoho could be significantly stronger via-scaling.

 

[ahill1]

I'd say Gero's calculations are a reasonable way of judging them. Going by it, and limiting the SSJ multiplier to 10x at that point as Toriyama intended, I'd say having Ten and Kuririn in the ten millions can work, Yamcha most likely lagging behind significantly in the millions via-scaling. I'd also say it's highly possible to have Boo Arc Kuririn stronger than his Cell Arc self since the timeline would suggest there were about 2-3 years before he and #18 started a relationship in which he could've used them to train, plus that alleviates having to keep Ten so far behind him in the Cell Arc. Even then, however, he'd at best end up at 50% Freeza level, given how even in Super he still feared Freeza's power in FnF when the highest he'd seen Freeza prior was his Mecha self.
Of course, you could always argue Gero's calculations mean absolutely nothing, given he believed Goku would stop making consistently large gains after the Saiyan Arc even after having taken a punch to the face from a Goku who's battle power was at least above 3 million. I'd still say it's a better route than basing their training gains on nothing, though I can understand the argument of them not making great increases after the Freeza Arc due to the limits of Earthly training and still being presented as solidly below the Base Saiyans.

Counting the Shin Kikoho though, Ten ought to be at least above #16 based on it being capable of budging Cell and Cell even commenting on it causing him trouble. His Boo Arc Shin Kikoho could be significantly stronger via-scaling.

Gero and the others refer to his absorptions as "adding power to his own". But some people think the "add" doesn't mean it works literally by addition, as "adding" can mean just joining that energy to his own, rather than literally adding the units. What do you think?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Gero and the others refer to his absorptions as "adding power to his own". But some people think the "add" doesn't mean it works literally by addition, as "adding" can mean just joining that energy to his own, rather than literally adding the units. What do you think?

That's definitely over-complicating a very simple statement. If it really worked in such a manner of providing larger than expected boosts from those below the Base Saiyans, then #19 should've made some huge gains from absorbing Goku and Vegeta's Ki.

On the subject of absorption, however, it is worth noting Gero later believed he'd only need to absorb more of Piccolo's Ki to surpass Vegeta, so it's safe to say his calculations are a bit off when prior he wasn't treating Big Green as above Gohan and the humans by that much, or just showing that the humans really are that much below Base Saiyan tier.

 

[ahill1]

Gero and the others refer to his absorptions as "adding power to his own". But some people think the "add" doesn't mean it works literally by addition, as "adding" can mean just joining that energy to his own, rather than literally adding the units. What do you think?

That's definitely over-complicating a very simple statement. If it really worked in such a manner of providing larger than expected boosts from those below the Base Saiyans, then #19 should've made some huge gains from absorbing Goku and Vegeta's Ki.

On the subject of absorption, however, it is worth noting Gero later believed he'd only need to absorb more of Piccolo's Ki to surpass Vegeta, so it's safe to say his calculations are a bit off when prior he wasn't treating Big Green as above Gohan and the humans by that much, or just showing that the humans really are that much below Base Saiyan tier.

I like your theory that Piccolo became less suppressed when Gero took into acount another portion of his power being absorbed as being enough to best Vegeta. He even took off his clothes before Gero performed this statement, so it makes sense.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

It could make sense, though I'll admit that it's shaky when considering Gero was also astonished at Piccolo's ability to rapidly increase his power in bursts so much and didn't seem to make note of a change in power for Piccolo prior.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I don’t think Gero’s calculations are a reliable source. According to Piccolo the Ki they give off when not fighting, so Gero couldn’t be relying on that.

According to the Super Exciting Guide, modern science lacks the means to measure and store Ki properly. Much like Beerus’ Ki is above the Z Fighters’ comprehension, Gero’s technology cannot fanthom the depths of the Z Fighter’s power. He seems to go off calculations based on Saiyan Arc levels rather than scouter readings, which are fundamentally flawed.

As far as human power goes, the narrator has specified no human can withstand a gravity 100x higher than Earth’s:

So the humans aren’t getting anywhere near 100,000; their bodies aren’t build to handle such power. Even Goku with both this gravity and abusing of Zenkais failed to go past 90k.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

The 'Weighted Piccolo= Krillin + Ten + Gohan' statement along with the implication that Piccolo got 50x stronger by removing his weights is good evidence. Humans' PL are at a few millions.