The effectiveness of Psychokinesis

[Evil Vegeta]

After reading Fantastic's topic about Blue, it made me think a bit more about the way this ability is utilized throughout the story.

Here we see Chaozu is able to stun Goku with his psychic ability. Goku's far above Chaozu, but his guard being down left him open.

Nappa is able to completely ignore Chaozu's psychic power. Is this because Nappa was in the process of bringing out all of his power in that moment? Or was the difference between them way too big for it to matter regardless? I personally think it was a combination of Nappa being too strong and Chaozu's psychic power not being all that potent in general.

Gurd was shown to be pretty inferior to Gohan and Krillin in raw power, but Vegeta still warned them to beware of his psychic power. From what we can deduce, his psychic powers far exceed his normal power, which is why he was able to stop them. Or was it? Vegeta did scold them for attacking Gurd directly, though I'm not sure if that would've made a difference or not. Looking at how Gurd was able to overpower them convinces me that he would've stopped them no matter what.

Now this one is a bit similar to the Chaozu situation, since Gohan is far more powerful than Kaioshin and was off-guard. We also have Kaioshin inferring that what was shown at the Budokai was likely not Gohan's best. I've always went with the logic that Kaioshin's psychic abilities were just far more potent than anyone else's in the series at that point. That would explain why he was able to stop Gohan despite being vastly inferior to him.

Well, that's my little analysis on this interesting power. Let me know what you think.

 

[Void]

The gap in power is probably the biggest factor.

The Kaioshin one can be attributed to him being a god, and that's a fair view. I still think he was depicted as being quite strong in the 25th TB, being somewhere between Piccolo and the Super Saiyans. Once they get into Babidi's ship he becomes a weak little whiner, and that part just turns into a mess.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Did Kaio-Shin try his ability against Boo in the manga?

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Honestly it depends on the plot. Whether the one uses the psychokinesis is weaker or stronger or even equal to his opponent can work as well.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

The maximum power gap psychic can work at depends on your PL estimations.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

It's not because they use the same technique that they are they all have the same limitations. And nothing actually contradicts Budokai Shin being not too far from SSjin 2 Gohan, considering he only turns into a bitch at the Spaceship.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Double post

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Eh, Kaioshin didn't hesitate to step to the side when Super Saiyan Goku was about to blow him away. Also, Budokai Kaioshin says he doubt he could beat Goku upon meeting him...and that's well before he understood what they were truly capable of. The only thing I've seen to suggest Kaioshin might not be far from Gohan is how they both went up against Boo.

Fantastic, Kaioshin never tried it on Boo in the manga. I'm not sure if he does in the anime.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Er, i was refering to a hypothesis of Shin's power being retconned, considering he went from scaring Piccolo to wanting to gang on Yakon.

No, Kaioshin never tried on Buu on the anime. And he shouldn't be able to, considering he later says it was too hard to paralyze Gohan, and the Buu he faced was stronger than Goku and Vegeta at time.

 

[Void]

I'd definitely attribute Kaioshin's paralysis technique to him being a god and no, he didn't use it against Boo. He did survive a bigger beating from Boo than Gohan did, though!

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Kaio-Shin did try in the anime I think. He looks intensely at Boo some-times and then when Boo moves he's surprised. If it's not confirmed, then that's at-least implied heavily.

 

[ahill1]

I think the paralyzing technique depends on the power gap to work. Chaozu vs Goku and Kaioshin vs SSJ2 Gohan were rather big gaps, as well as Gurd vs Kuririn and Gohan, but not big enough that the paralyzing technique wouldn't work. Chaozu vs Nappa was a bigger gap (almost 4x according to my numbers), hence it not working. You can say that some of the users have a bigger degree of mastery over the technique, which could make it work even on enemies like 10x stronger, but I don't think there's need for such and prefer to see it under the "da gap was big, but not big enough to prevent it from working". Let's put some numbers:

Chaozu (22nd Budokai) : 38
Son Goku (22nd Budokai) : 70
---> Gap: ~1.84x

Gurd : 8,000
Kuririn : 13,000
Son Gohan : 14,000
---> Gap: ~1.7x

Kaioshin : 10,000,000,000
Gohan SSJ2 : 25,000,000,000
---> Gap: 2.5x

Chaozu : 1,000 (I think it works best than Daiz's 610)
Nappa : 4,000
---> Gap: 4x

So the instances that it worked had a considerable less gap than the ones which didn't work. But I think the Kaioshin vs SSJ2 Gohan instance was already kind on the limit of the technique, considering how Kaioshin wasn't totally sure it would have worked on the Saiyan.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Kaio-Shin did try in the anime I think. He looks intensely at Boo some-times and then when Boo moves he's surprised. If it's not confirmed, then that's at-least implied heavily.

The move where Kaioshin's eyes glow, right?

I think that's the kiai eyes. When Boo copied it, he knocked Kaioshin far back.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Kaio-Shin did try in the anime I think. He looks intensely at Boo some-times and then when Boo moves he's surprised. If it's not confirmed, then that's at-least implied heavily.

The move where Kaioshin's eyes glow, right?

I think that's the kiai eyes. When Boo copied it, he knocked Kaioshin far back.

Yeah, I think so but I remember something like that happening more than once so maybe one of them was the paralysis technique or maybe I got it wrong.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

He did a cool attack in the anime that looked like it was from one of the video games.

Spoiler

Kaioshin's kiai eyes was used to blow Boo back and to also destroy Boo's attack.

I thought the attack looked interesting.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

He did a cool attack in the anime that looked like it was from one of the video games.

Spoiler

Kaioshin's kiai eyes was used to blow Boo back and to also destroy Boo's attack.

I thought the attack looked interesting.

Seems like you gais were right. I concede.