The truth behind “Many times stronger” statements?

[GSM123]

Just something I thought about. What if all these statements simply mean from other scales that aren’t Battle Powers? Here’s a few examples I’ve gathered:
- All the statements in Part I about being many times greater;
- The lack of linearity between destructive capability and power levels. Kaio says the Kaio-Ken makes one many times greater, and Piccolo shows a feat trillion of times above the power of an average humans’ in spite of his ~60x PL;
- Gohan becoming 2x stronger as a SSJ2, but holding Cell back with “less than half” of his Ki;
- Kili not being proportional to Power Levels;

Etc. So, it is possible that outside of the Freeza Arc any statement about multiplication shouldn’t be taken literally in power levels lists?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

I'd say the "many times stronger" statements in Part 1 can indeed account to general stats rather than Ki growth, which don't scale numerically for the Piccolo example you mentioned.
Gohan specifies his Ki has dropped by less than half, so that should definitely account for his actual battle power. I do personally believe that was due to a loss in his Shouki and Yuuki when considering he lacked the lightning until Goku's pep talk fired him up and even after that Goku made it apparent he was holding back subconsciously or not.

 

[GSM123]

Don’t Kili also measure Ki? They don’t seem to correlate linearly with Battle Powers.

It’s also tough to think what the Z Fighters mean with that when they rarely use numbers to describe their Ki. The closest example is Vegeta always using “Battle Power” instead of Ki even after he dropped scouters.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

If anything, that would suggest battle powers are a measurement of one's Ki if Vegeta considers the two equivalent. Kiri does make things difficult, though if I had to assume about it, I'd say it's some kind of mix of normal Ki and magic when considering it's the primary system used by Babidi.

 

[SSJ2]

For simplicity I take those statements at face value.

 

[GSM123]

Maybe it’s like Celsius and Fahrenheit, where they correlate via a formula. Finding that formula might be a better exercise for PL freaks than discussing power gaps 2

But yeah, maybe Battle Power is the best measure for Ki and Kili is just a magic scale. All those statements would be in terms of destructive capability etc since Ki wasn’t a main thing back then. Perhaps that goes for Future 17 as well since he’s not adept to Ki control.

CC, given how the SEG says SSJ is “50x Battle Power” but for SSJ2 and 3 it uses “Strength” maybe these multipliers are just throwaway numbers? After all the Daizenshuu does say the Z Fighters got too strong to be measured numerically, and it’s make more sense for these numbers be random figures for example’s sake than dor the forms be have such puny boosts compared to SSJ’s 50x.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

The SEG statements referring to Ki is backed up by other sources. DBZ Kakarot's character profiles refer to SS2 and SS3's gaps as being through Ki iirc.

 

[SSJ2]

[mention]GreatSaiyaman123[/mention] I think you are putting too much value on individual words being used, when in the grand scheme they are all trying to convey the same thing. Whether a SSJ2 doubles their battle power or doubles their strength, the point of the guidebook remains the same. All of those words are used interchangeably within the series.

 

[GSM123]

Yeah, I probably am. Was just trying to see if those statements about SSJ2 and 3 multipliers could exist alongside the statements that contradict them to end those annoying-ass debate multipliers.