Tienshinhan versus Piccolo

[kriss-]

This is Android Saga Tienshinhan, the same one whom went up against Semi-Perfect Cell. His Kikoho will go up against Piccolo's Light Grenade, the same one Piccolo used on Cell.

Who wins?

 

[Clearin]

So the move that was tanked by first form Cell vs the move that pushed second form Cell around like a ragdoll?

 

[kriss-]

Multipliers are so inconsistent.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

This thread need to be move to the battle section.

Anyway, TIen kihoho was able to push Semi Cell while Piccolo's light grenade can't do the same thing.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Maybe Ten's move had only pushing strength (different from smashing strength), so it wasn't as special as we think.

 

[kriss-]

Pardon me if this sounds a bit rude, but is there any evidence to support that bogus claim? It just sounds absurd to me that the best the Dragonball community could do is invent some form of strength known as 'pushing strength'.

It was a Chi attack.

 

[babaGAReeb 2]

Pardon me if this sounds a bit rude, but is there any evidence to support that bogus claim? It just sounds absurd to me that the best the Dragonball community could do is invent some form of strength known as 'pushing strength'.

It was a Chi attack.

that pushing stuff sounds retarded, why would anyone even invent such an attack which specializes in pushing. does tien wanna push ppl down stairs or something


tien vaporizes piccolo

 

[Clearin]

Kiai's only purpose seems to be pushing people. I think the Daiz even calls the Shin Kikoho a "kiai technique" or something.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Pardon me if this sounds a bit rude, but is there any evidence to support that bogus claim? It just sounds absurd to me that the best the Dragonball community could do is invent some form of strength known as 'pushing strength'.

It was a Chi attack.

No, there really are different kinds of strength in physics. But, i'm not saying this is certainly the case here. Maybe Ten's move really holds the power
to vaporize Freeza.

 

[kriss-]

Kaboom is right. Gaps and multipliers are inconsistent. Hence why I'm starting to take that approach and am about ready to sweep it all under a rug.

 

[sei'taer]

The shin-kikoho is just that strong of an attack. That being said, that scene makes no sense. If tenshinhan could do that to second form cell, even without damage, then he could have killed first form cell or the androids.

There's also the fact that when piccolo uses the light grenade he'd been in a prolonged fight with 17 where his chi was stated to be weakening. Then he got his ass kicked around by cell who was far stronger than piccolo at 100%. Then he uses the light grenade.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Maybe Ten combining it with kaioken makes some more sense...?

 

[xmysticgohanx]

His Kikoho stomps

 

[ahill1]

Pardon me if this sounds a bit rude, but is there any evidence to support that bogus claim? It just sounds absurd to me that the best the Dragonball community could do is invent some form of strength known as 'pushing strength'.

It was a Chi attack.

That's a theory from your beloved Kaboom.

 

[kriss-]

Pardon me if this sounds a bit rude, but is there any evidence to support that bogus claim? It just sounds absurd to me that the best the Dragonball community could do is invent some form of strength known as 'pushing strength'.

It was a Chi attack.

That's a theory from your beloved Kaboom.

It still sounds like bullshit.

 

[Papasmurf]

Kikoho godstomps. For one thing, even if considering it a kiai attack, he has nullified Taopaipai's Super Dodonpa before with a run of the mill kiai.

 

[ahill1]

Kikoho godstomps. For one thing, even if considering it a kiai attack, he has nullified Taopaipai's Super Dodonpa before with a run of the mill kiai.

I don't think Shin Kikoho is all that strong. Base Future Trunks kiai also was able to knock away Cell.

I think it being a kiai attack has a trend to push things. It's not a move that will one-shot #16 and powers below that IMO.

Tenshinhan stated he wouldn't use it against Goku at the 23rd Budokai, never tried to use it against Piccolo Daimao (because it wouldn't work), used against a real foe, Nappa (it did not work), and never tried to use it against the Androids because... it would not work.


Chapter: 370 (DBZ 176), P11.6
Tenshinhan: “Our worlds are too different…Extremely so…There’s nothing I can do…”

This should count as a straight statement saying the Shin Kikoho can't really damage 1st form Cell.


The idea that Tenshinhan could've one-shotted every villain from Freeza to Cell the whole time, despite specifically saying he couldn't do anything to these foes is nonsense IMO.

 

[kriss-]

Chi attacks have a tendency to rip things apart if someone gets caught inside them. It happens all the time to Boo and happened to Cell.

Semi-Perfect Cell is just too powerful. The Kikoho wasn't able to piece his skin, or harm him, so instead it was more like being hit by a blunt object.

Sort of like boxing someone who doesn't have the strength to actually hurt you. You can stand there and absorb their hits into your chest or stomach, but you'll get pushed back. I've done this in boxing before. A newbie stepped into the ring and I realized that his punches didn't hurt, so I dropped my arms and absorbed his punches.

 

[Papasmurf]

Kikoho godstomps. For one thing, even if considering it a kiai attack, he has nullified Taopaipai's Super Dodonpa before with a run of the mill kiai.

I don't think Shin Kikoho is all that strong. Base Future Trunks kiai also was able to knock away Cell.

I think it being a kiai attack has a trend to push things. It's not a move that will one-shot #16 and powers below that IMO.

Tenshinhan stated he wouldn't use it against Goku at the 23rd Budokai, never tried to use it against Piccolo Daimao (because it wouldn't work), used against a real foe, Nappa (it did not work), and never tried to use it against the Androids because... it would not work.


Chapter: 370 (DBZ 176), P11.6
Tenshinhan: “Our worlds are too different…Extremely so…There’s nothing I can do…”

This should count as a straight statement saying the Shin Kikoho can't really damage 1st form Cell.


The idea that Tenshinhan could've one-shotted every villain from Freeza to Cell the whole time, despite specifically saying he couldn't do anything to these foes is nonsense IMO.

Tenshinhan earlier cited the likely possibility that Goku would just dodge the Kikoho, as well as it being too dangerous to use for himself as well as Goku. The fact that he bothers mentioning both parties are in danger from the attack tells me the suppressed Goku he faced wouldn't come out unscathed. Doesn't mean it would defeat a stronger opponent, either, as displayed when it didn't amount to much against Nappa, so I wouldn't wager a full power Goku would die from it, but Ten didn't necessarily rule it out because of it lacking power.

It's also worth noting that the Kikoho is noted to have destructive capabilities multiple times that of the Kamehameha, as opposed to just having pushing strength -- and the majority of the time a Kiai is used, it deals little damage even from a stronger opponent (Goku vs. Jheese and Butta). So I really, really doubt it was created to just be some super ultimate pushing attack that barely packs a wallop. (Ten's Kikoho would then have ridiculous ki power and be effectively utterly inefficient since it's obviously meant to kill even at the expense of most of your life energy) Even if such is the case, Cell couldn't escape several additional blasts from the Shin Kikoho barrage, whereas Piccolo's ultimate attack did no damage even in his earlier form, so Piccolo's attack is outmatched. The cyborgs are also stated to have immense speed by Piccolo, so ruling it out for that reason makes enough sense. Not that much considering that #16 didn't go ahead and say Ten's just asking to be blitzed and eradicated after seeing him use the Shin Kikoho, but if Goku could dodge it with an infinitely smaller power gap, they should be able to too.

 

[babaGAReeb 2]

what purpose would an ultimate pushing attack that drains your life even serve

is tien part Kanassan, and thus saw the future and made such an attack just to stall cell for a while or something