Try to make a pre-Z Dragon Ball list that fits with Raditz arc Goku and Piccolo being at their scouter numbers

[xmysticgohanx]

 

[SIAD]

It can be done, but keep in mind that the power of Mr. Popo and Kami in (DBZ) are REDCON. Since the TB23, give us the following string:

Goku (Zenkai)> = Goku (TB23)> = Piccolo (TB23) >>>> Goku / Piccolo (Start Final)> Kami (TB23)> Shen (Kami) >>>>>> Goku (No Heavy Clothing vs Tenshinhan)> = Mr. Popo >>> Goku (Heavy Clothing / Force)> = Tenshinhan (TB23) >>> Goku (Heavy Clothing / speed)> Goku (Post Water Gods).

For while Boz:

Goku (No Heavy Clothing)> = Piccolo (No Heavy Clothing)> Goku (With Heavy Clothing)> = Piccolo (With Heavy Clothing)> Goku (Zenkai)> Kami (DBZ)> Mr. Popo (DBZ)> = Tenshinhan (BoZ) >> Krilin (BoZ) >> Yamcha (BoZ)> Yayirobe (BoZ)> Chaoz (BoZ).

I have to Piccolo (TB23) = Kami (DBZ).

 

[withheldforprivacy]

It can only be done if you consider the 408 and 416 readings were their suppressed PLs.

 

[xmysticgohanx]

It can only be done if you consider the 408 and 416 readings were their suppressed PLs.

Alright, what if the kamehameha is Goku's full power?

 

[kriss-]

Try to make? It's an official level.

 

[xmysticgohanx]

Try to make? It's an official level.

make a list then lol. Apparently it is impossible without taking out all of the "many time stronger" statements

 

[Diamond Ryan]

It is basically impossible to make all of the statements in pre-Z Dragon Ball fit between 5 and 416, what with Goku growing many times stronger from Karin training, Old Daimao using less than half of his power, and Piccolo Jr. being many times stronger than Young Daimao.

 

[kriss-]

Answer one simple question, it's impossible base on what?

 

[ahill1]

It's impossible based on the statements of the early Dragon Ball.

 

[SIAD]

Absolutely not overlook the PL 5 Farmer.
Goku declare that Piccolo had trained hard these 5 years at the time that the heavy clothes off. Therefore: 408 >> / >>> Piccolo (TB23).

 

[Tapion]

It's impossible. END.

 

[kriss-]

It's impossible based on the statements of the early Dragon Ball.

The official Manga says you're wrong. This shows your bias stance towards gaps.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

I have developped two approaches on Early DB...
-Farmer's PL is 0.05 and was misread as 5 by Raditz. Also, Roshi is 13.9 and was misread as 139 by Bulma.
-My ''minimal gaps'' theory (1.1x is enough for dominating) in combination with ignoring the ''manyfold'' and ''less than half statements''.

 

[xmysticgohanx]

I have developped two approaches on Early DB...
-Farmer's PL is 0.05 and was misread as 5 by Raditz. Also, Roshi is 13.9 and was misread as 139 by Bulma.
-My ''minimal gaps'' theory (1.1x is enough for dominating) in combination with ignoring the ''manyfold'' and ''less than half statements''.

Can you make a list please? Along with a list of the statements you ignored? If it isn't too much to ask lmao

 

[withheldforprivacy]

I have developped two approaches on Early DB...
-Farmer's PL is 0.05 and was misread as 5 by Raditz. Also, Roshi is 13.9 and was misread as 139 by Bulma.
-My ''minimal gaps'' theory (1.1x is enough for dominating) in combination with ignoring the ''manyfold'' and ''less than half statements''.

Can you make a list please? Along with a list of the statements you ignored? If it isn't too much to ask lmao

Wha...i already have made one list for each of my two theories.


http://www.dbzeta.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=3225

http://www.dbzeta.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4659

 

[SIAD]

The statement Goku, Piccolo train hard on those 5 years after Piccolo their heavy clothing will be removed and power reached 408. Clearly indicates 322> Piccolo (TB23).

You know, if you can do, the only thing to do is ignore the power of Master Roshi and Farmer, also is a good choice to divide their powers, something like:

Master Roshi (BoZ) = 13.9
Farmer = 0.0005.

We must also REDCON the powers of Kami and Mr. Popo (DBZ). The only rule is to have Piccolo (TB23)> Kami (DBZ). Nor do I have problems with having the Master Roshi (BoZ) = 13.9. Whereas BoZ, we suggest that Master Roshi is> Chi-Chi. We know that Chi-Chi get very far in the TB23, probably he maintained its power, while Master Roshi Boz had an axed.

I will make a short list:


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Mr. Popo (DB) = 25

Kami (TB23) = 120

Piccolo (TB23) = 290

Goku (TB23) = 292

Goku (Post Zenkai Power / EoDB) = 300

Yamcha (BoZ) = 177

Krillin (BoZ) = 206

Tenshinhan (BoZ) = 250

Mr. Popo (DBZ) = 256

Kami (DBZ) = 288

Piccolo (weighted) = 322
(No heavy clothing) = 408

Goku (weighted) = 334
(No heavy clothing) = 416

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Kami's/Popo's powers don't have to be retconned. The 408/416 numbers could just be their suppressed levels. Usually, i have something like...

Kami- 300
Goku/Piccolo (23rd TB)- 500
Goku/Piccolo (BOZ)- 750

 

[ahill1]

I could do one, but I'd have to ignore all of the "many times stronger" lines and ignore the overall breakdown of the gaps.


Dragon Ball



Bear Bandit - 6

Kuririn - 7

Yamcha - 9

Son Goku (w/o tail) - 9

Son Goku (w/ tail) - 10

Gyumao - 15

Muten Roshi - 20



21st Budokai



Orin Temple Bullies - 9

Yamcha - 12

Giran - 14

Kuririn - 16

Son Goku (w/o tail) - 17

Namu - 19

Son Goku (w/ tail) - 20

Jackie Chun - 20



Muscle Tower



Silver - 10

Ninja Murasaki - 15

Sergeant Metallic - 18

Son Goku - 20

Android #8 - 24



General Blue



Kuririn - 16

Pirate Robot - 17

General Blue - 18

Son Goku - 22

Tao Pai Pai - 32

Son Goku (post Karin) - 36



Baba saga



Dracula Man - 10

Invisible Man - 11

Yamcha - 12

Kuririn - 16

Mummy - 22

Akkuman - 26

Son Gohan - 35

Son Goku - 36



22nd Budokai



Chapa-o - 34

Chaozu - 38

Yamcha - 39

Kuririn - 40

Tsuru - 48

Jackie Chun - 54
~Full power (unseen) - 60

Tenshinhan - 70

Son Goku (full match level) - 62
~Battle level - 72



Piccolo Daimao saga



Cymbal - 45

Tambourine - 60

Yajirobe - 66

Karin - 68

Tenshinhan - 70

Son Goku - 72

Drum - 90

Piccolo Daimao (Old) - 150

Piccolo Daimao (Young) - 200

Son Goku (post Choshinsui) - 205

Mr. Popo - 275

Kami-sama - 310



23rd Budokai



Chaozu - 110

Yajirobe - 120

Chi-Chi - 125

Cyborg Tao - 150

Yamcha - 165

Kuririn - 180

Tenshinhan - 220

Shen - 300

Kami-sama - 310

Piccolo Junior - 375

Son Goku (weighted) - 220
~Full power - 380

 

[SIAD]

Kami's/Popo's powers don't have to be retconned. The 408/416 numbers could just be their suppressed levels. Usually, i have something like...

Kami- 300
Goku/Piccolo (23rd TB)- 500
Goku/Piccolo (BOZ)- 750

I do not see the problem with having Kami and Mr. Popo stronger in DBZ.

  The TB23 tells us:

  Goku (TB23)> = Piccolo (TB23) >>>> Goku / Piccolo (Early in the Final)> = Kami (TB23)> Shen >>>>>> Mr. Popo.

  For while Boz:

Goku (No Heavy Clothing)> = Piccolo (No heavy clothing) >> Goku (With Heavy Clothing)> = Piccolo (With Heavy Clothing)> / >> Kami (BoZ)> Mr. Popo (BoZ)> = Tenshinhan (BoZ ).

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Ahill, Korin is not close to 22nd TB Goku. The ''almost surpassed'' statement was a Herm's mistake he admitted himself.