Tullece vs Namek characters

[Warmmedown]

Tullece after having his last meal (RIP wasted hero looks) vs:

1. Gohan (as he was against 2nd form freeza), Gohan gets one rage boost)

2. Vegeta (vs 2nd form Freeza)

3. Piccolo (weighted clothing)

4. Piccolo (stripped)

5. 3rd Form Freeza

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Assuming he gets the same boost as his first one, he would solo when him going from weaker than Base Goku to stomping his Kaioken x10 self showed it to be over a 10x boost. However, he makes reference to having ate from the Shinseijuu countless times and he doesn't bulk up from the 2nd fruit, so it's safe to say the boost isn't linear and the 2nd power up was far less substantial. I'd say anyone in this gauntlet should be able to stomp him.

 

[Warmmedown]

Even Gohan and Vegeta? Don't you think after the first fruit his power was probably 450,000+ (Goku's base was over 30,000), from how he handled Goku? Do you put even Gohan above that?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Tullece could be potentially as low as around 400k, considering how much 30,000 and skyrocketing equates to was quite vague and we've seen characters stomp another to a similar extent with 1.1-1.2x gaps. Assuming the 2nd fruit still provided a significant boost he could beat Vegeta, but that much is pretty questionable when it's not noted or suggested to have been that effective. When you said Gohan as he was against 2nd form Freeza, I'd assumed you were speaking of the rage boost he had or his post-Zenkai self as those are the ones who actually fought Freeza. If referring to his base self before Kuririn got impaled, who's at 200k according to the V-Jump, then I'd agree with you that Gohan gets wrecked there normally, but the inclusion of the rage boost changes that completely.

 

[Pakl]

Tullece did not get any stronger after eating the second form. Nothing like that was implied. It would be pointless for him to get stronger in the end and then getting beaten. Also, the way he looks at the tree after eating another fruit seems to suggest he did not gwt stronger and wondered what was wrong

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Tullece did not get any stronger after eating the second form. Nothing like that was implied.

Making you stronger from eating the fruit is how the Shinseijuu works, so there's nothing that would say he didn't. I'd agree with you if you said his gains would be marginal, but getting no stronger whatsoever would go against everything we're told about the Shinseijuu.

 

[Pakl]

Tullece did not get any stronger after eating the second form. Nothing like that was implied.

Making you stronger from eating the fruit is how the Shinseijuu works, so there's nothing that would say he didn't. I'd agree with you if you said his gains would be marginal, but getting no stronger whatsoever would go against everything we're told about the Shinseijuu.

You did not get my point. Goku sucked the energy from the Shinseijuu. Tullece then looked at the tree like something went wrong so I think it was to make clear he did not get stronger. There is no point for the movie to show him eating another one and then getting killed

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Goku sucked the energy from the Shinseijuu.

That wouldn't affect anything. The energy goes directly into the fruit, so the Genki being transferred into the Genki Dama should only affect the tree and not its fruit.

Tullece then looked at the tree like something went wrong so I think it was to make clear he did not get stronger.

It would be reaching to say that is solid evidence. DB movies aren't exactly subtle, this one especially with its main theme being spelt out to the audience at the end, so it would be quite a stretch to assume this point wouldn't be made overt by Tullece.