Vegeta and 19 gap

[KyuubiAhri]

The gap is so large that the inferior piccolo was able to stomp a guy who is somewhat stronger than 19.On the other hand,vegeta cant tank punch from 19.
So what do you think?

 

[Papasmurf]

19 weighs 1000 tons. Thus his punches pack a wallop

 

[withheldforprivacy]

I think Vegeta had not raised his SSJ ki all the way when he fought 19.

 

[KyuubiAhri]

I think Vegeta had not raised his SSJ ki all the way when he fought 19.

but SSj's (not mastered ones) can't suppress chi

 

[sei'taer]

Vegeta easily rips 19's arms off after 19 absorbs a lot of his chi.

Vegeta is a beast.

 

[Void]

I think Vegeta had not raised his SSJ ki all the way when he fought 19.

but SSj's (not mastered ones) can't suppress chi

No. 18 claims that Vegeta was holding back on her at first.

Vegeta has a big advantage over No. 19 considering the Android drained a lot of his power and Vegeta still ripped his hands off.

 

[sei'taer]

SSJ fighters suppress and raise their chi before mastering was a thing. They just can't exhibit the control to the point goku and gohan did.

 

[Papasmurf]

Pretty sure the only example of a SSJ fighter raising his power higher is SSJ grade 3 Trunks pre-mastery

 

[freezamite]

It was pretty big.
I would put Vegeta at 3,25 and 19 at 1 or 1,2 at best. A20 was a different beast, he at least was a 2,5 or more.

 

[Pyro]

Fairly large. I'd say nearly at least a 1.5x gap.

 

[Kyo]

You can hold back while not suppressing

As for the topic, the gap is big

 

[SSJ2]

You can hold back while not suppressing

As for the topic, the gap is big

 

[withheldforprivacy]

I think Vegeta had not raised his SSJ ki all the way when he fought 19.

but SSj's (not mastered ones) can't suppress chi

I have explained decently in the past the difference between using more chi in battle and modifying your battle power.

 

[sei'taer]

Pretty sure the only example of a SSJ fighter raising his power higher is SSJ grade 3 Trunks pre-mastery

Is this anything that's actually stated, or do you just all assume this to be true?

 

[Papasmurf]

Pretty sure the only example of a SSJ fighter raising his power higher is SSJ grade 3 Trunks pre-mastery

Is this anything that's actually stated, or do you just all assume this to be true?

Just the only one I can explicitly remember, and my memory is usually pretty good

 

[KyuubiAhri]

I think Vegeta had not raised his SSJ ki all the way when he fought 19.

but SSj's (not mastered ones) can't suppress chi

I have explained decently in the past the difference between using more chi in battle and modifying your battle power.

so Ssj vegeta (full power)>>Ssj vegeta (holding back)>=Ssj goku

 

[withheldforprivacy]

but SSj's (not mastered ones) can't suppress chi

I have explained decently in the past the difference between using more chi in battle and modifying your battle power.

so Ssj vegeta (full power)>>Ssj vegeta (holding back)>=Ssj goku

No. FP SSJ Vegeta>=FP SSJ Goku

 

[Pyro]

But Tenshinhan hadn't felt Goku's true power to make any comparison between him and the other Super Saiyans, so was he just assuming when he said they'd all be around the same strength even if Goku was healthy?

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Seems like he was assuming to me. It just happened to be accurate since Goku basically said it later.