Vegeta-Monster Zarbon - who was stronger?

[ahill1]

Who do you think was superior?

 

[Six Trails]

In their second round? Is there any reason to believe Zarbon was stronger? At best I'd place them as equals.

 

[ahill1]

Look at this quote:

It feels like Vegeta is expecting defeat Zarbon not only because of his new powers, but because Zarbon will be off guard, mainly confident in his ease victory in the last fight.

He confirmed it when Zarbon was about to attack him:

And then later he needed to resort to throwing sand in Zarbon's eyes to gain the edge.

 

[sei'taer]

Someone made this argument on pojo once. My opinion really hasn't changed.

Vegeta was stronger, he was just trying to end the fight quickly to conserve his strength. He easily dodges all of zarbon's attacks before throwing the sand in his eyes, and then comments how the preemptive attack was designed to make him easy to finish off.

This implies that they're probably close enough that a normal fight would be a more drawn out affair, but nothing that implies Zarbon had a chance of winning.

 

[SSJ2]

Vegeta is definitely stronger.

 

[ahill1]

Vegeta is not definitely stronger. They could very well be equals.

 

[ahill1]

He easily dodges all of zarbon's attacks before throwing the sand in his eyes

Vegeta dodged two hits and then landed sand on Zarbon's eyes and, hit him from the back, throw him in the water and then spammed chi blasts like there was no tomorrow, making Zarbon weakened.

 

[sei'taer]

Zarbon only threw two hits though, and vegeta effortlessly dodged both.

 

[SSJ2]

He is definitely stronger. Vegeta mocks Zarbon every time that Zarbon claims superiority over Vegeta.

 

[Papasmurf]

Zarbon's shock at Vegeta affirming he got stronger says it for me. I believe he wanted to finish him off quickly as he no longer had a shot with the medical machine at Freeza's spaceship, not to mention that he looks down on Zarbon when he suggests teaming up to finish Freeza. If Zarbon was the superior, I see no reason someone as arrogant as Vegeta would look down on his strength, even if the tag team would ultimately be insufficient either way.

 

[ahill1]

Like I said, he is not definitely stronger. They being equal works well. Vegeta, in two instances, was counting with Zarbon being off guard. Zarbon attacked him off guard, like Vegeta noted and then had to resort to throwing sand in Zarbon's eyes in order to gain the edge. If Vegeta was stronger, I'd give him only a very small edge:

Vegeta- 30,000
Monster Zarbon- 29,400

 

[SSJ2]

Wow, you're actually using your own words instead of copying and pasting p123's theories? I'm impressed.

I don't get how Zarbon attacked him off guard. Sure Zarbon is unaware of Vegeta's strength gain, but that does absolutely not take away from Vegeta's two dodges.

 

[Papasmurf]

It's clearly a smaller edge than the one he had in their last battle before Zarbon transformed. But literally the only argument for Zarbon's superiority is the fact that Vegeta used a cheap shot at the start, while most of the narrative suggests the opposite. Hell, even when the Ginyu Force was about to arrive, Vegeta stated they're either equal to, or above even him - it seems fairly clear Vegeta doesn't consider Zarbon to be his superior even if he thought to use a cheap shot.

 

[ahill1]

It's clearly a smaller edge than the one he had in their last battle before Zarbon transformed. But literally the only argument for Zarbon's superiority is the fact that Vegeta used a cheap shot at the start, while most of the narrative suggests the opposite. Hell, even when the Ginyu Force was about to arrive, Vegeta stated they're either equal to, or above even him - it seems fairly clear Vegeta doesn't consider Zarbon to be his superior even if he thought to use a cheap shot.

Vegeta was counting with Zarbon being off guard, because of how easily Zarbon took care of him in the 1st fight:

Chapter: 267 (DBZ 73), P5.1-4
Context: Vegeta is tailing Kuririn, and realizes Zarbon is tailing him.
Vegeta: “Eh?! There's a huge battle power…It's following me… I’d say Zarbon has found me! Feh!! What a nuisance…! But this is a good opportunity. I’ll take care of him for sure this time! He’s completely filled with confidence from our last battle…! He should come at me off-guard…”


When Zarbon was about to attack Vegeta, the latter confirmed he was really coming at him off guard and then throw sand in his eyes, weakening him with:

1- One hin from the back;
2- Several chi blasts, being interrupted by Kuririn trying to escape.

Only the Vegeta brought his power being greater than before, by being healed.


Goku used more or less the same chi blast technique against Cell (though there's a few differences, I guess), with Cell saying the damage was surprisingly large.


Good point about Vegeta comparing the Ginyu's powers to his own.

Wow, you're actually using your own words instead of copying and pasting p123's theories? I'm impressed.

What do you mean with this?

 

[SSJ2]

I mean you've blatantly copied ideas from older members. Also the other day when you were just using RandomGuy's exact points to do your arguing for you, like use your own ideas lol.

 

[ahill1]

I mean you've blatantly copied ideas from older members. Also the other day when you were just using RandomGuy's exact points to do your arguing for you, like use your own ideas lol.

That day I said I would copy and post RandomGuy's points. When did I have blatantly copy ideas from older member?

 

[SSJ2]

How about right here where you copy and pasted Vic's power levels?

http://www.neoseeker.com/forums/88/t2036997-3-years-training-gains/2.htm#m37051923
http://dbzeta.net/viewtopic.php?p=96432#p96432

I've seen you copy and paste either p or Vic's battle powers before, too.

 

[ahill1]

@SuperSaiyan2

I was only inspired by his list and used some of his power levels that I think are pretty good.

Again, I never copy and paste their posts, I only learned from them and therefore my posts may look like that of them. What's wrong with this? There's nothing wrong with using others logics/arguments when you think it's good. I'm pretty sure you learned a lot from Kyouks and KP too.

 

[SSJ2]

Also any defense on this one?

http://dbzeta.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=2886#p64496
http://www.pojo.biz/board/showpost.php?p=23788351&postcount=5

Literally copies @Papasmurf post lol

 

[SSJ2]

I've never copy and pasted someone's post before and took credit for it, lol.

Did those two teach me a lot? Sure, but again, I don't consider their word as fact, or try to argue that they are gods or something.

Prime example: http://dbzeta.net/viewtopic.php?p=56185#p56185