Vegeta Mssj Pre-Majin vs Ginyu & Tagoma (Super)

[kriss-]

Who wins?

 

[Papasmurf]

Ginyu rapes

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Vegeta would break his hand punching Tagoma. No chance of winning.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Ginyu would destroy him easily, let alone with Tagoma.

 

[kriss-]

Why is that?

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Ginyu is around somewhere on Ultimate Gohan's league duh.

 

[kriss-]

But Teen Gohan from the Boo Saga could willingly transform into a Super Saiyan no problem, and Adult Gohan from Dragonball Super, could barely handle transforming into one. This alone tells us:

Teen Gohan SSj (Boo) > Adult Gohan SSj (Super)

Tagoma was recognized as being strong enough to rival Adult Gohan at his best, and he managed to rek Piccolo, so this implies:

Teen Gohan SSj (Boo) > Adult Gohan SSj (Super) > Tagoma > Piccolo

Then Ginyu took over Tagoma's body and Tagoma received a power-up. Now we have:

Teen Gohan SSj (Boo) > Adult Gohan SSj (Super) ~ Ginyu > Tagoma > Piccolo

Now we can throw in the fighters from the Majin Boo Saga and finally, we got:

Goku Mssj (Boo) > Vegeta Mssj Pre-Majin > Teen Gohan SSj (Boo) >= Dabura > Adult Gohan SSj (Super) ~ Ginyu > Tagoma ~ Kaioshin > Piccolo (Boo) ~ Piccolo (Super)

Vegeta stomps here.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Gohan can't transform so what? He's still in his ultimate state.

 

[kriss-]

No he's not, Lol. He can barely transform. He's weak sauce.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

His ultimate form is not a transformation rather than his base form.

 

[kriss-]

You're making the bold mistake of thinking that he's transforming into Super Saiyan from his Ultimate form, he's not. He's in his Base form and he's trying to acquire Super Saiyan, but his body is far too rusty to be able to achieve this.

Teen Gohan
a) Larger muscles, much larger build.
b) Can willingly transform into a Super Saiyan without an issue. Heck, he can even willingly transform into a Super Saiyan 2.

Adult Gohan
a) Much smaller muscles, much slimmer build.
b) Has an extremely difficult time maintaining Super Saiyan and powering up.

Lookit the difference:

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Transforming barely into SSj has nothing to do with him not being ultimate state beside that's just a dumb artwork from Toei or Toriyama. Nothing ever stated that he lost he's ultimate state.

 

[kriss-]

There is nothing that implies that he was in his Ultimate state. Gohan says that Tagoma rivals his current best, not his best ever. So that being Super Saiyan and not his Ultimate form.

He can barely handle the 50x boost that doesn't even, logically, bring him to his limits, yet you're arguing that he's capable of going way-ay past his limits?

Paradox.

I've presented lots of arguments and evidence and you've presented nothing.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Nothing ever state that he lose it either so either way assuming that he lost it is stupid. Gohan is not as strong as he was from Boo Arc but that doesn't mean he lost it.