Vegeta Ssj & Trunks Ssj (Cell Games) vs Perfect Cell (Exhausted)

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This is the Perfect Cell that a warn out Goku was able to still fend off. Do you think Vegeta & Trunks can take him now?
 

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Trunks still wanted to gang up on this Cell so unless he stays suppressed to that exact level for no reason I doubt he'd lose
 

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I think Trunks was just not willing to take any chances of letting Cell slip out of this situation; especially after the predicaments of the future. A worn out Goku was still giving Cell some serious trouble. Vegeta is likely stronger than a warming up Goku -whose around 50% of his maximum power, that said, IMO the duo should win after a good fight.
 

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Tired Goku did worse than Piccolo so there's no doubt that this Cell should be weaker than the duo. What I mean is that if he used any more effort I doubt he'd lose, especially when Cell was confident in facing a restored Goku.
 

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I go with the duo for Trunk's statements. He seemed confident about that, and only a few of them besides he and Veget would even bother to make a difference. And if Vegeta could momentarily stagger SPC, regardless of the circumstances, I would think they have a pretty good chance against exhausted Cell.
 

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Perfect Cell was overly confident in his 'Perfect' form up until the point Kid Gohan SSj2 hits the scene; until then, he believes he's invincible. However:

Perfect Cell had faltered breathes and was huffing and puffing.
Perfect Cell was battle worn.
Perfect Cell would have lost to Kid Gohan Mssj.
Perfect Cell was stated as suffering a tremendous loss of Chi.
Additionally, Perfect Cell's overconfidence didn't warrant his opinion about himself as accurate when he fought Kid Gohan SSj2 or challenged Vegeta's Gallic Gun.

I wouldn't treat Cell's confidence in himself as being wholly accurate.
 

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It'd be accurate enough with someone he already fought like Goku. SSJ2 Gohan's power was an unknown at the time and would remain so until he was outclassed, at which point he tried several times to avoid defeat by blowing up the planet and such. If a healed Goku would've done the same to the tired Cell, he'd have resorted to dirty tactics just the same as well. Instead he kept his composure and openly suggested that Goku take the Senzu. Just because someone is arrogant doesn't mean they're always wrong.
 

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SSj2 is not a transformation where one can willingly alter the amount of Chi output emanating from themselves. That said, Perfect Cell 'should' have sensed Kid Gohan's SSj2 power the entire time, there is no excuse for it. Otherwise: 'It is possible to alter your battle power while in higher Super Saiyan transformations' or 'it's simply a plot-hole'. Rather than taking the cop-out, I'd prefer the more logical sense of reasoning.

As for your reply, anytime Cell has been shown to be arrogant, he has been shown to be wrong; like Gotenks.
 

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Cell is shown to be an intelligent enough character that he hid from Piccolo to get stronger and sweet-talked Vegeta after having fought them both. He had already fought Goku. When he was proven to be wrong while being arrogant, it was due to his ego blinding him to someone's much greater ki (SSJg2 Vegeta, etc.), the same way Gohan-Boo remained oblivious to Vegetto's superiority.

And yet after being outclassed, he openly acknowledged he needed to absorb him to win, and remained wary of Vegetto's halves until he learned they can't fuse anymore.

Much the same way, Zarbon remained arrogant to Vegeta until realizing their last battle gave him a zenkai, at which point he flipped out and realized he might be in over his head. If these other villain characters with similar arrogance had the sense to analyze their opponents' power like this, there's no cause for Cell to be wrong about Goku, especially when Goku was a great deal weaker than Cell's full power and hardly registers the same threat as SSJ2 Gohan. He also ceased to underestimate other opponents after fighting them once, while also realizing he couldn't presently defeat them. And if Cell openly recommends Goku to take a senzu to make the fight fun, he hardly is being pressured into a corner by the prospect of fighting Goku. Above all, Goku himself surrenders to Cell thinking only an enraged Gohan can defeat him.

You have no case, but I rest mine.
 

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Papasmurf said:
Cell is shown to be an intelligent enough character that he hid from Piccolo to get stronger and sweet-talked Vegeta after having fought them both. He had already fought Goku. When he was proven to be wrong while being arrogant, it was due to his ego blinding him to someone's much greater ki (SSJg2 Vegeta, etc.), the same way Gohan-Boo remained oblivious to Vegetto's superiority.

And yet after being outclassed, he openly acknowledged he needed to absorb him to win, and remained wary of Vegetto's halves until he learned they can't fuse anymore.

Much the same way, Zarbon remained arrogant to Vegeta until realizing their last battle gave him a zenkai, at which point he flipped out and realized he might be in over his head. If these other villain characters with similar arrogance had the sense to analyze their opponents' power like this, there's no cause for Cell to be wrong about Goku, especially when Goku was a great deal weaker than Cell's full power and hardly registers the same threat as SSJ2 Gohan. He also ceased to underestimate other opponents after fighting them once, while also realizing he couldn't presently defeat them. And if Cell openly recommends Goku to take a senzu to make the fight fun, he hardly is being pressured into a corner by the prospect of fighting Goku. Above all, Goku himself surrenders to Cell thinking only an enraged Gohan can defeat him.

You have no case, but I rest mine.
He's been shown to do some intelligent things prior to reaching his perfect form. He was definitely capable of orchestrating some pretty creative ideas that worked towards his advantage, but this only happened BEFORE he became Perfect. After-wards, he became haughty and believed himself to be unbeatable. So much so that he doesn't acknowledge a warning from Gohan, let's Vegeta nearly blast him to smithereens, believes himself to be superior to Kid Gohan Ssj2 -despite no evidence implying that people can alter their battle powers at higher Suepr Saiyan transformations and even takes his attention off of Vegeta which actually handicapped him and lead to his death.

When a clearly exhausted Cell affirms himself as superior to someone else -despite the artwork and context of the scenes saying other-wise, not to mention his characteristic's and traits, I believe it's subjective at this point. So don't act like your opinion is the only valid one.
 

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