Vegeta SSJ2 (Pre Majin) is much more powerful than Dabura (Suppressed against Gohan)?

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I got to thinking about Vegeta saying that he will quickly finish off Dabura, while Gohan was fighting Dabura.

Vegeta will mean that he defeated him easily because Dabura was still a bit hurt from the combat (not as hurt as Gohan)? In that case, Vegeta SSJ2 (Pre Majin) wouldn't be much superior to Dabura (Suppressed against Gohan)?

What do you think?
 

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I don't really think Dabura was suppressed against Gohan given that he shows no indication of powering up further in his bid of resistance against Fat Boo. He just likes to talk shit, he's cocky. He could probably beat a non-enraged SSJ/2 Gohan (whichever form you roll with), but with him breaking his sword on Gohan's grip and the like it doesn't appear that he's all that.

Vegeta being above Dabura is obviously stated.
 

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Kenshi said:
I don't really think Dabura was suppressed against Gohan given that he shows no indication of powering up further in his bid of resistance against Fat Boo. He just likes to talk shit, he's cocky. He could probably beat a non-enraged SSJ/2 Gohan (whichever form you roll with), but with him breaking his sword on Gohan's grip and the like it doesn't appear that he's all that.

Vegeta being above Dabura is obviously stated.

And how big is the difference between Vegeta SSJ2 (Pre Majin) over Dabura?

Dabura didn't use a higher power against Fat Boo?
 

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Dabura himself didn't note he was going all out or powering up or anything to that effect in the manga.

SSJ2 Vegeta would obviously be strong enough to certainly win against Dabura, but I don't see it as larger than the gap he had on Zarbon or Dodoria.
 

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Kenshi said:
Dabura himself didn't note he was going all out or powering up or anything to that effect in the manga.

SSJ2 Vegeta would obviously be strong enough to certainly win against Dabura, but I don't see it as larger than the gap he had on Zarbon or Dodoria.

And do you think part of Vegeta's confidence in easily defeating Dabura is due to Dabura taking a lot of hits from Gohan?

I say something like this:

Vegeta SSJ2 (Pre Majin) = 100

Dabura = 90
(When taking many hits from Gohan) = 84
 

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Only Gohan's stamina was noted to be lower. Dabra looked like he was 100% after the fight, and obviously didn't require healing in order to fight Gohan again.

Dabra and Gohan were shown to be nearly equal with each other. Gohan arguably had more power but Dabra was in better fighting shape and had magic. Vegeta was stronger than both of them by a good margin.
 

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I have:

Goku / Majin Vegeta SSJ2 = 100
Vegeta SSJ2 (Pre Majin) = 84
Dabura (FP) = 80
Gohan SSJ2 (CG / Boo) and SPC = 72
Goku SSJ2 (CG / Hypotecal) = 62.5
 

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For me it goes:

SSJ2 Goku/Majin Vegeta > CG SSJ2 Gohan = Initial Boo > Pre Majin SSJ2 Vegeta >> Boo arc SSJ2 Gohan >= Dabura = SPC
 

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Vegeta should be stronger based on his own estimations, though how accurate they were is up to debate as Tapion brought up some pretty significant evidence to the contrary in a past thread. Not only did Gohan seem to acknowledge needing to get angry like against Cell to beat Dabura despite his senzu giving him at least the same level of Ki (if not more if assuming when Kibito said he'd restored almost all of Gohan's Ki was where the healing ended) as well as Dabura referring to him as "trash" in general is a lot to chalk up to just Dabura's superior stamina and skill, but Gohan noted he'd need to bring out all his power to stop what he sensed of Boo whereas Dabura scoffed at his initial power, and it's clear Dabura has at least some form of Ki sensing. Parts which would seem like Dabura taking things fully serious against Gohan also seem fairly questionable such as the fact he wasn't shocked at Gohan breaking his sword and we know Dabura isn't without his own agency in toying with opponents as he suggested through wanting to fight guys he believed Pui Pui could solo.
For what Super is worth, you also have a Future Dabura not suggested to have improved at all being able to take an attack from SS2 Trunks, who was shown handling the Z-Sword in base a lot better than Gohan or Goku initially could and his blade could clash against the Z-Sword prior to that. There's also the anime providing a scene of his Ki increasing against Boo. These are obviously secondary sources, but ones that don't directly contradict with what the manga implies.

That said, even if agreeing that Vegeta was still superior in power to Dabura, I wouldn't say it'd be by enough to make it an easy fight, especially not with Dabura's techniques.
 

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SSJ2 Pre Majin Vegeta is stronger than FP Dabura, unless we go by Cadaver's theory (Dabura didn't show his full power against Gohan), in which case it would be a hell of a fight.
 

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Captain Cadaver said:
Vegeta should be stronger based on his own estimations, though how accurate they were is up to debate as Tapion brought up some pretty significant evidence to the contrary in a past thread. Not only did Gohan seem to acknowledge needing to get angry like against Cell to beat Dabura despite his senzu giving him at least the same level of Ki (if not more if assuming when Kibito said he'd restored almost all of Gohan's Ki was where the healing ended) as well as Dabura referring to him as "trash" in general is a lot to chalk up to just Dabura's superior stamina and skill, but Gohan noted he'd need to bring out all his power to stop what he sensed of Boo whereas Dabura scoffed at his initial power, and it's clear Dabura has at least some form of Ki sensing. Parts which would seem like Dabura taking things fully serious against Gohan also seem fairly questionable such as the fact he wasn't shocked at Gohan breaking his sword and we know Dabura isn't without his own agency in toying with opponents as he suggested through wanting to fight guys he believed Pui Pui could solo.
For what Super is worth, you also have a Future Dabura not suggested to have improved at all being able to take an attack from SS2 Trunks, who was shown handling the Z-Sword in base a lot better than Gohan or Goku initially could and his blade could clash against the Z-Sword prior to that. There's also the anime providing a scene of his Ki increasing against Boo. These are obviously secondary sources, but ones that don't directly contradict with what the manga implies.

That said, even if agreeing that Vegeta was still superior in power to Dabura, I wouldn't say it'd be by enough to make it an easy fight, especially not with Dabura's techniques.

How would a match between 3 Teen Gohan SSJ2 vs 2 Vegeta SSJ2 (Pre Majin) be?
 

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SIAD said:
How would a match between 3 Teen Gohan SSJ2 vs 2 Vegeta SSJ2 (Pre Majin) be?
Vegeta would probably lose unless he could pick them off individually due to their lack of skill. Gohan had become rusty, but probably not to the extent that he was that inferior to Vegeta. It's not as though Vegeta suggested he could instantly kill the Dabura that Goku saw Gohan as not completely losing to.

Hector said:
SSJ2 Pre Majin Vegeta is stronger than FP Dabura, unless we go by Cadaver's theory (Dabura didn't show his full power against Gohan), in which case it would be a hell of a fight.
Probably more accurate to call it Tapion's theory. I had the idea floating around for a while, but he definitely fleshed it out further.
 

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Captain Cadaver said:
Hector said:
SSJ2 Pre Majin Vegeta is stronger than FP Dabura, unless we go by Cadaver's theory (Dabura didn't show his full power against Gohan), in which case it would be a hell of a fight.
Probably more accurate to call it Tapion's theory. I had the idea floating around for a while, but he definitely fleshed it out further.

What is Tapion's theory?
 

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Basically everything I wrote in my first post. I held the same opinion, though I only mentioned Dabura's comments on Gohan and the latter's drop in stamina prior to Tapion presenting more to the standpoint.
 

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Assuming Gohan was SSJ2 against Dabura, Vegeta would have no problems defeating Dabura as Goku didn't really doubt it. He only stopped Vegeta because he wanted Gohan to fight his own battle.
 
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