Vegeta's power in relation to Dodoria and Zarbon. Oh and Kiwi too.

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I've recently been thinking about the superiority Zarbon and Dodoria held over Vegeta for all those yrs prior to the Saiyan saga. Freeza's men always appeared to go by the numbers no matter what.

Vegeta even said they were all obsessed with power above all else, which is why the idea of learning how to sense would be lost on them:

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With how surprised they were upon reading Vegeta's new power level, you would've thought their power advantage over him might be permanent in their minds:

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We know Dodoria and Zarbon are in the 21-23k range (22k and 23k respectively if you go by the Daiz's levels), so it doesn't seem so far-fetched that Vegeta would eventually get to that range of power...if not surpass it with time.

It's easy to understand why someone like Freeza would be comfortable giving the fact that he's dimensions above Vegeta, but Dodoria and Zarbon are entirely different.

Vegeta sorta perpetuates this line of thinking based on some of the things he states, admittedly:

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Despite seeing Vegeta's newfound power, Zarbon couldn't even believe he was able to take out Dodoria. After being a level above Vegeta for so long, the idea of him becoming a threat to them probably seemed impossible.

My guess is Vegeta has had gradual increases throughout his life, but never had a jump in power remotely close to what he received after the battle on Earth. That would explain his mindset. Perhaps he never thought he'd get to a point where he could manhandle Dodoria and Zarbon the way he did, though it's possible that he never focused on them in the same way that he focused on overcoming Freeza.

Kiwi's assessment isn't so off because his scouter read Vegeta at a level inferior to 18k, so it makes sense. Now having said that, would he realistically expect Vegeta to always be at his level?

These are just random thoughts I had.
 

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Dodoria is below 22k and Zarbon is above 22k of you just go by their reactions to the scouter readings. They probably thought Vegeta was complacent like them and wouldn't make a significant progress.
 

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I know it's impossible to tell, but at what point do you believe Vegeta reached his 18k power level? All we know is that he already surpassed King Vegeta as a kid, which doesn't tell us exactly when. Vegeta said he was constantly on the front-line fighting while Dodoria hid behind Freeza for so long. I'm guessing that the improvement might've barely been noticeable, though it was there.
 

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Evil Vegeta said:
I know it's impossible to tell, but at what point do you believe Vegeta reached his 18k power level? All we know is that he already surpassed King Vegeta as a kid, which doesn't tell us exactly when. Vegeta said he was constantly on the front-line fighting while Dodoria hid behind Freeza for so long. I'm guessing that the improvement might've barely been noticeable, though it was there.

Vegeta was 29, so he must have been at that power for 4-5 years and he probably thought himself too that he was at his limit.
 

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Well, Vegeta stated that he surpassed his father as a kid. If we take the Bardock special episode as reference, it's likely that King Vegeta was above 10k (as they didn't mention Bardock surpassing him, which I think would be noticed)... Vegeta as a kid would be then venturing into that territory, so it seems Vegeta's gains from his childhood to his battle on Earth weren't too noticeable.

As for the thread, I always had the impression that Dodoria and Zarbon were significantly stronger than Earth Vegeta, that is, significantly above 18k. The idea of Vegeta surpassing them was never on their mind, although Freeza faces the situation more casually, knowing that Vegeta is the type to make gains. I'd be fine with their Daizenshuu figures weren't their battle against Vegeta, which to me seemed to place them noticeably weaker than 24k... I think 22k and 23k isn't quite cutting it looking at their performance. You could say that the difference in their skills department made Vegeta's superiority seem more pronounced, but I dunno. I still think that Zarbon ought to be at least 22k though, since he didn't make note of them being surpassed until they read Vegeta as 24k. They also thought that Cui and Vegeta would screw each other and Cui was quite excited to partake in the battle, so he seems to be 18k, at least.


Vegeta 18,000
Cui 18,000
Dodoria 21,000
Zarbon 22,000
Vegeta (post Earth) 24,000

That's how I'd have them.
 

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What do you think Vegeta's suppressed level was before fighting Kiwi? Kiwi said Vegeta had no chance against him with his power level.
 

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Yeah, Cui noticed that Vegeta had weakened and that he had no chance against him. But I think that a too drastic of a dip would let him wondering whether something was up. So ~16k sounds fair to me. What do you think?
 

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Yeah, that's where I figured him to be. Since Freeza's men are numbers oriented, it'd make sense why Kiwi would think Vegeta wouldn't have a chance at that level.
 

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Vegeta was just really surprised of his own new power while Dodoria and Zarbon were just being denial until it was too late.
 

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Vegeta also seemed surprised at him taking down Dodoria that easily... What do you think that could indicate? Maybe going by battle power alone the battle wasn't supposed to be that easy? Or Vegeta is just surprised that he could do this to someone who had been ahead of him for his entire life up until that point?
 

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We all know his power should be around 10k+ after his planet was destroyed and after 20 years he only managed to reach 18K which makes his zenkai boost from Earth pretty amazing. Like I said experiencing that kind of power and destroying someone like Dodoria and Zarbon (who BTW disrespected his race) can be surreal.
 

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Probably a combination of both. Vegeta did repeat that Dodoria was always proud of his strength, so he was probably expecting Dodoria to not be such a huge pushover.
 

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I guess as he grew up his gains started to diminish. He was getting too powerful for anyone to match him, so by that point he probably couldn’t get any stronger given how nobody sans Freeza’s top men were in his level, so he couldn’t benefit from fighting and Zenkais until he fought Goku.
 

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Evil Vegeta said:
I know it's impossible to tell, but at what point do you believe Vegeta reached his 18k power level? All we know is that he already surpassed King Vegeta as a kid, which doesn't tell us exactly when. Vegeta said he was constantly on the front-line fighting while Dodoria hid behind Freeza for so long. I'm guessing that the improvement might've barely been noticeable, though it was there.

I doubt the King was more than 10k if Nappa is considered a top tier Saiyan. Vegeta was considered a prodigy, even moreso now with recent material. Veggie would've surpassed 10k as a kid training or fighting for Freeza. He might've been pushed here or there in some battles to get him up to 18k, but when he hit that level he was unchallenged by anyone Freeza would've sent him to fight, so he capped there.
 

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Vegeta IIRC said he fought ceaselessly at the fore-front and resulted in many difficult situations. Not in those exact words.
 
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