Was Gotenks SSJ (pre RoSaT) sensed from the Kaioshin realm?

[ahill1]

What the title says.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Based on what Goku said (can't sense the "fused Chi"), it can inferred that he did. It can also be inferred that he didn't.

Goku realized that Boo's Chi was gone, and Kibito immediately questioned if that meant Boo was dead. Goku saying he couldn't sense Gotenks' Chi could imply that there was never a situation in which he sensed their Chi clash with Boo's. For Boo to be defeated, obviously a bigger or similar sized Chi would've been just as noticeable as Boo's. Goku not sensing their Fusion fighting with Boo doesn't mean he sensed them prior; it just means he didn't sense them within the time of Boo's Chi disappearing.

Now the opposite, Goku seemed sure he'd be able to sense Fusion. When Boo escapes the rosat, Goku quickly sensed Super Boo, but is still shocked he can't sense Fusion. That sorta tells me he knows the feel of Fusion's power, which means he likely would've sensed it when they merged into Super Saiyan Gotenks.

I honestly have no idea. This one doesn't seem to have a clear answer.

 

[Diamond Ryan]

I'm sure he was, as I think that Goku mentioned at one point that the kids' fused ki disappeared at one point (can't find a quote though). SSj Goku and Vegeta, while in the Kaioshin realm, could both be sensed by Pure Boo though, so being sensed from there doesn't seem to be as impressive as it is cracked up to be.

 

[Papasmurf]

Did Pure Boo really sense them, though? He could've very well just copied Kibitoshin's destination while copying his technique, especially considering Gohan couldn't sense SSJ Goku at full power when he killed Boo, or Boo himself for that matter.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

I always assumed he somehow saw them or sensed them. I'm really not sure. The anime was more obvious with this one.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Goku commented he couldn't sense Gotenks' ki "Anymore" when the kids were in Rosat, implying he did sense them earlier.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

I don't believe that word was ever used.

Original:

Goku: "Hey Kaioshin, have you noticed? Majin Boo’s ki vanished a while ago."
Kaioshin: "Huh? Oh, now that you mention it!"
Kibito: "What’s going on? Is he dead?"
Goku: "…I don’t know…I can’t sense the squirts’ Fusion’s ki either…And it doesn’t seem like [they’ve] fought…Why did [Boo’s?] ki suddenly vanish?..."

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Oh, remembered it wrong. He still surprised their Ki disappear, what wouldn't make sense if he never sensed them in first place, though.

 

[ahill1]

Did Pure Boo really sense them, though? He could've very well just copied Kibitoshin's destination while copying his technique, especially considering Gohan couldn't sense SSJ Goku at full power when he killed Boo, or Boo himself for that matter.

It seems Kid Boo sensed them. He looked at the right, then at the left and then smirked... it seems he was actively searching for their chi. It's worth noting that searching for someone's chi is different from having his attention grabbed by someone's chi, like the people at Kaioshin's realm had when Goku turned into a SSJ3.

Oh, remembered it wrong. He still surprised their Ki disappear, what wouldn't make sense if he never sensed them in first place, though.

Yeah, Goku mentioned "either" rather than "anymore", which makes it still up for debate. We can at least conclude Goku expected to be able to sense the squirts' chi, but Goku was sitted there trying to figure what was happening, that is, searching for their chi, which like I said is different from having one's attention grabbed.

To sum it up: grabbing the attention from people at the Kaioshin realm who weren't looking for someone's chi --> a feat performed only by SSJ3-tier.
Having one's chi sensed by people from Kaioshin's realm who were actively looking for the chi --> a feat performable even by people of SSJ tier.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

It's possible Toriyama just decided to don't show the reactions on the Kaioshin realm, though.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Seems to be one of those grey areas.

I think Super Saiyan Gotenks is definitely Super Saiyan 3 tier regardless. Maybe there just wasn't an explosion of power like it was with Super Saiyan 3 Goku. Fusing into Super Saiyan looked smooth, whereas transforming into a Super Saiyan 3 looked intense for both Goku and Gotenks.

Besides that, nearly everyone sensed from a tremendous distance seemed to unleash a huge amount of power before being sensed.

Super Saiyan 3 Goku:

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Super Boo:

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We see Goku and everyone on the Kaioshin realm's reaction to Super Boo's Chi in the following chapter after that explosion of power. Piccolo shit himself immediately after.

Gohan:

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Self-explanatory.

Piccolo sensed Kid Boo's Chi disappear. There was no visible power-up, but he seemed to be exerting himself quite hard to stop the Genki-Dama. Outside of sensing Super Saiyan 3 Goku, Gohan doesn't seem too adept at sensing from a distance. He was unaware that Gotenks' Fusion returned to normal, and Piccolo had to inform him and the kids that Kid Boo's Chi had disappeared. The times when Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks had an explosion of power was when he transformed and when he ripped a hole in the dimensions.

The Chi being huge is relevant, but I think the emphasis lies in how that Chi is unleashed.

Totally something I thought of on the whim literally 20 mins ago, lol. It's a reasonable enough explanation for me, though.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Such threads are just not the same anymore without Tosh being around.

 

[ahill1]

Don't you think SSJ Gotenks was kind of like an explosion of power as well, Evil Vegeta? It's shown an entire panel for him flaring his aura, as well as comments from the other's Z senshi on how amazing the chi was right in the next page:

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And then the comments on how amazing he feels, even by those who can't sense chi.


Besides, Kibito's comment regarding they sensing SSJ3 Goku from their realm, which was something like "it's unprecedent that a mortal's chi can reach here" kind of indicates it's something entirely related to how strong said person is.

 

[Pyro]

Gotenks also pretty much said he needed to restrain himself or he'd destroy the Lookout.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Anyone can be sense from the Kaioshin realm but noticing the ki like how Goku did is the true feat here.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Super Saiyan Gotenks' aura admittedly looks quite intense.

Gotenks said he couldn't show his speed off without damaging the lookout, which is why he demonstrated said speed by flying hella fast on the Earth.

This stuff really isn't consistent, though. Gotenks was going all-out against Super Boo, lost his Fusion, and Gohan was surprised to learn that it just happened. You'd think something like this would've been obvious if such a huge Chi just disappeared.

The Super Saiyan Gotenks stuff really could go either way. There's no right or wrong answer here.

 

[Papasmurf]

I think the intensity of the aura was just to convey that he was a different order of being (being the first fusion and all). Even though SSJ Gotenks post-Rosat is even stronger, and SSJ Vegetto stronger than that they don't have auras that intense. It seems to me like AT was just hyping Gotenks at the time.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Yeah, just more hype for Gotenks like he always does and always proved it wrong.

 

[Lord Appule]

Yeah, just more hype for Gotenks like he always does and always proved it wrong.

 

[ahill1]

Super Saiyan Gotenks' aura admittedly looks quite intense.

Gotenks said he couldn't show his speed off without damaging the lookout, which is why he demonstrated said speed by flying hella fast on the Earth.

This stuff really isn't consistent, though. Gotenks was going all-out against Super Boo, lost his Fusion, and Gohan was surprised to learn that it just happened. You'd think something like this would've been obvious if such a huge Chi just disappeared.

The Super Saiyan Gotenks stuff really could go either way. There's no right or wrong answer here.

Goku womdered "why'd their chi just disappear?". Do you think it implies Goku sensed Gotenks before?