Was the Piccolo Daimao Arc a good potential conclusion for the series?

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There's a lot of things that would've made this a contender for most solid potential ending in the series that I've thought about.

First of all, the most obvious reason would be the consequences. If you don't lead into the necessary continuation of the Dragon Balls returning, leaving them inert not only makes it the end of Dragon Ball in a literal sense, but also makes all of the deaths in the arc permanent and thus one of consequences. Whilst you could say the Saiyan Arc had that potentially, it already established Dragon Balls on Namek as a silver lining. Ending it here would offer a bittersweet ending that would offer some catharsis.

Next, was the increase in scale. Along with the well done and gradual tonal shift from a comedy to a serious action series, the climactic battle of this arc is the only one in which the collateral damage felt like it meant something in showing how far above previous characters Goku and Piccolo were more so than mere words could. Not only was the destructive feats part of it, but what the power ups were in relation to the characters. The Choshinsui was meant to unleash Goku's inner potential and Piccolo Daimao's full power was so great using it would deplete his lifespan. When considering they ended up becoming ants by the time of the Saiyan Arc alone, the power creep of taking things further than this made these two power ups feel meaningless in retrospect when we never saw someone such as Freeza cut his lifespan by using 100%.

There would indeed be some good elements that would be lost by ending it here. The Saiyan Arc had the best character writing and development out of the arcs (aside from perhaps Hunt for the Dragon Balls Arc due to its consistency and subversion of the typical heroic band), mainly due to Piccolo and Gohan, and was a good way of opening the scale further through bringing it to a cosmic level. Even then, however, the problems of it and the following arc not having anywhere near as much potential permanent repercussions and as already mentioned, the Choshinsui and Daimao's full power still feeling meaningless. Overall, this may have been the most consistent high note ending for the series (without major rewrites, at least) and would've helped the overall quality of the Daimao Arc as well.

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Well as a story? Probably. But Goku was just 15 years old back then so it doesn't make sense for his story to end there and he still has long journey to go and has to win the budokai tenkaichi once since that was his major goal which he didn't achieve it during King Piccolo's arc.
 

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Fearless In Quarantine said:
Well as a story? Probably. But Goku was just 15 years old back then so it doesn't make sense for his story to end there and he still has long journey to go and has to win the budokai tenkaichi once since that was his major goal which he didn't achieve it during King Piccolo's arc.
Growing up isn't essential to his character arc, nor is winning the Tenkaichi Budokai when he'd already proven himself to be the strongest in the world.
 

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If any original DragonBall ending I thought 23rd Tenkaichi-Budokai was it. You did make a good point about the scale and destruction thing though.
 

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Captain Cadaver said:
Fearless In Quarantine said:
Well as a story? Probably. But Goku was just 15 years old back then so it doesn't make sense for his story to end there and he still has long journey to go and has to win the budokai tenkaichi once since that was his major goal which he didn't achieve it during King Piccolo's arc.
Growing up isn't essential to his character arc, nor is winning the Tenkaichi Budokai when he'd already proven himself to be the strongest in the world.

Well to me it's part of his complete story IMO. Growing up and become the strongest man ever which he achieved both later in 23rd Tenkaichi. Like I said, King Piccolo is a good final major villain and as a conclusion but Goku is still not over. That's just my opinion.
 

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Fearless In Quarantine said:
Well to me it's part of his complete story IMO. Growing up and become the strongest man ever which he achieved both later in 23rd Tenkaichi. Like I said, King Piccolo is a good final major villain and as a conclusion but Goku is still not over. That's just my opinion.
That would be the case if providing someone to act as an obstacle and without Piccolo Daimao, there wasn't much of a coherent way to have that kind of threat. Whilst the 23rd TB could've acted as this conclusion, we saw that it didn't and as I talked about, the scale set up with the power ups of the Daimao Arc started to already mean little when several humans approached Daimao's level whilst Goku and Piccolo made him seem like an ant.
 

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Captain Cadaver said:
Fearless In Quarantine said:
Well to me it's part of his complete story IMO. Growing up and become the strongest man ever which he achieved both later in 23rd Tenkaichi. Like I said, King Piccolo is a good final major villain and as a conclusion but Goku is still not over. That's just my opinion.
That would be the case if providing someone to act as an obstacle and without Piccolo Daimao, there wasn't much of a coherent way to have that kind of threat. Whilst the 23rd TB could've acted as this conclusion, we saw that it didn't and as I talked about, the scale set up with the power ups of the Daimao Arc started to already mean little when several humans approached Daimao's level whilst Goku and Piccolo made him seem like an ant.
Then it seems power scaling is the one thing that we disagreed on and I get it. If that's the case then the only thing I'll change from PD arc is to have Goku win the 22nd Budokai clean that's all. That way, it will be fully complete from my point of view.
 

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Goku and Piccolo being aliens was a simplistic explanation that spoiled the mage. I think Goku remaining a rare human and Piccolo the evil half of a god was better. Perhaps Z should have been a new series with different characters.
 

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winning the Tenkaichi Budokai still seemed like a big deal to Goku when he defeated Piccolo for the second time, so I think it was fairly necessary to his character. He even lost the previous two before it even though he was arguably the stronger of the two between himself and Tenshithands.
 
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