What do you think of these Androids saga numbers?

[ahill1]

Future Gohan SSJ [1 arm] : 180,000,000 (50% of future #17)
Future Trunks SSJ [Mecha saga] : 200,000,000
Son Goku SSJ [Mecha saga] : 220,000,000
Piccolo [Androids saga] : 250,000,000 (50% of present #17)
Future Trunks SSJ [Androids saga] : 300,000,000
Son Goku SSJ [Androids saga] : 330,000,000
Vegeta SSJ [Androids saga] : 340,000,000
#18 450,000,000 (future: 330,000,000)
#17 500,000,000 (future: 360,000,000)

 

[kriss-]

Too bloated.

Frieza > Base Saiyans has to be relevant. It's impossible with what you have here.

 

[ahill1]

Too bloated.

Frieza > Base Saiyans has to be relevant. It's impossible with what you have here.

Too bloated? And I tried to be as minimalist as possible.

I like that list, but the problem is that Gero (post Absorptions) should be considerably stronger than Trunks (Mecha saga) and considerably weaker than Piccolo (Androids saga), what would not be possible by my numbers.

 

[kriss-]

What's wrong with Future Gohan rivaling Mecha Freeza? He was beaten by someone using less than 50% power, worst showing in the entire series.

Future Gohan SSJ [1 arm] : 135,000,000
Future Trunks SSJ [Mecha saga] : 160,000,000
Son Goku SSJ [Mecha saga] : 180,000,000
Piccolo [Androids saga] : 225,000,000
Future Trunks SSJ [Androids saga] : 260,000,000
Son Goku SSJ [Androids saga] : 275,000,000
Vegeta SSJ [Androids saga] : 300,000,000
#18 360,000,000 (future: 320,000,000)
#17 400,000,000 (future: 360,000,000)

 

[ahill1]

What's wrong with Future Gohan rivaling Mecha Freeza? He was beaten by someone using less than 50% power, worst showing in the entire series.

Future Gohan SSJ [1 arm] : 135,000,000
Future Trunks SSJ [Mecha saga] : 160,000,000
Son Goku SSJ [Mecha saga] : 180,000,000
Piccolo [Androids saga] : 225,000,000
Future Trunks SSJ [Androids saga] : 260,000,000
Son Goku SSJ [Androids saga] : 275,000,000
Vegeta SSJ [Androids saga] : 300,000,000
#18 360,000,000 (future: 320,000,000)
#17 400,000,000 (future: 360,000,000)

Because Future Trunks should be way ahead of Mecha Freeza ("I could kill you in seconds") yet 1 arm Gohan is not that weaker than Mecha saga Trunks. One armed Gohan should be able to easily kill Mecha Freeza too IMO.

Future Trunks said that the present Androids are on another level compared to that of his time.

 

[kriss-]

Chill, he can kill him in a seconds with his sword, which was sufficient in piercing through his skin no problem.

You're speculating when it comes to Future Gohan. He always came off as a chump to me.

 

[Six Trails]

I think you're overrating a sword's capabilities. Dabra who was close to Gohan couldn't do anything to him with a sword. That doesn't make it seem as though it's some kind of deciding factor.

 

[ahill1]

Yea, Goku only put Chi into his finger and blocked Trunks' sword easily (though Trunks was not going all out).

Besides this, Trunks proved to King Cold that the sword was not the main reason of his strength. The sword is not the main issue here. The issue is Trunks' strength IMO.

 

[kriss-]

I think you're overrating a sword's capabilities. Dabra who was close to Gohan couldn't do anything to him with a sword. That doesn't make it seem as though it's some kind of deciding factor.

Those are two completely different scenarios that are completely unrelated.

Cold puts emphasis on the swords ability of cutting through Freeza's body. So clearly the argument has merit.

 

[Six Trails]

Cold puts emphasis on the swords ability of cutting through Freeza's body. So it clearly holds merit.

Cold assumes that the sword is the reason for Freeza's defeat and thinks that it will help him beat Trunks, but is quickly proven wrong. I'd take an actual showing (Dabra vs. Gohan) over Cold's delusion.

 

[kriss-]

Doesn't matter.

Cold still puts emphasis on the swords ability of cutting through Freeza's body. It can cut through Freeza's body, but not Trunks.

Simple.

 

[Tapion]

Are you going to ignore an actual fight with a sword, and use Cold's cocky delusion instead?

 

[kriss-]

I'll stick by the Sword, since emphasis is put on it by Kuririn as well.

 

[Victorious]

They're much too low. I put Piccolo 400,000,000.