What if Viz was better than Herms all along?

[xmysticgohanx]

What would change?

 

[Jerk Store]

Old ideas from pre Herms would resurface.

 

[xmysticgohanx]

Like?

 

[Classic Adamas]

Fuck Herms. Unless he wants to translate, print and sell the manga to me at half price, fuck him.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

I think that would make Pure Boo > Buff Boo

 

[withheldforprivacy]

The most important thing that would change is Fat Buu's power not being shared between Good Buu and Grey Buu,
which makes more sense, since i get the feeling AT wanted to use Fat Buu's old power at Kid Buu Saga.

 

[sei'taer]

Very little would realistically change.

Over reliance on the strength checker has actually hurt this community as what is said is generally taken over the context in which it is said because of the lack of a full translation.

 

[SSJ2]

Nobody would know what Oozaru does.

 

[Diamond Ryan]

Oozaru Vegeta's best feat would be beating an exhausted Goku using Kaio ken, which was something regular Vegeta could do with ease.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Actually, Viz was right all along but Herms wants to be a famous hence he translate the manga with some changes.

 

[ahill1]

It'd change somethings regarding power debates. Oozaru Vegeta's power would be more up to interpretation... Kaioshin would no longer need to be above Piccolo and could be put below the base Saiyans.

Grey Boo >>> Good Boo = Fat Boo (the only problem with it is that Grey Boo wasn't sensed from Kaioshin's realm).

Goku (Boo saga) could be above Cell Games Gohan by a wider margin.

Imperfect Cell (Ginger Town) would be above the present Androids based on Kamiccolo's reply to Vegeta, though it'd obviously find contradictions due to Kamiccolo's match against #17.

Cell (vs Goku) > Goku by a wider margin, since Vegeta stated that Cell wasn't just one, but two steps ahead of Kakarotto.

The rivals boost for Potara would no longer be implied.

The Saibaimans would be over 1,200.

#19 pre couldn't be that strong, since it was said his power multiplied after absorbing Goku's KMHMH, yet this #19 is suppossedly not too stronger than Mecha saga Trunks.

The Fat Boo > SSJ Gotenks (pre) believers would have a bit more of a point, though I remember Clearin from DBZF providing a good explanation for Viz's line.

Piccolo (warm up and weighted) would be much stronger than Kami-Sama, as strange as it seems (unless the latter knew Piccolo had power to spare).

 

[Jerk Store]

Safe to say, lotsa shit would be inaccurate.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Or we will be back to pre Herms era.

 

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1. Oozaru Vegeta's power would be more up to interpretation
2.Kaioshin would no longer need to be above Piccolo and could be put below the base Saiyans.
3.Grey Boo >>> Good Boo = Fat Boo (the only problem with it is that Grey Boo wasn't sensed from Kaioshin's realm).
4. Goku (Boo saga) could be above Cell Games Gohan by a wider margin.
5. Imperfect Cell (Ginger Town) would be above the present Androids based on Kamiccolo's reply to Vegeta, though it'd obviously find contradictions due to Kamiccolo's match against #17.
6. Cell (vs Goku) > Goku by a wider margin, since Vegeta stated that Cell wasn't just one, but two steps ahead of Kakarotto.
7. The rivals boost for Potara would no longer be implied.
8. The Saibaimans would be over 1,200.
9. #19 pre couldn't be that strong, since it was said his power multiplied after absorbing Goku's KMHMH, yet this #19 is suppossedly not too stronger than Mecha saga Trunks.
10. The Fat Boo > SSJ Gotenks (pre) believers would have a bit more of a point, though I remember Clearin from DBZF providing a good explanation for Viz's line.
11. Piccolo (warm up and weighted) would be much stronger than Kami-Sama, as strange as it seems (unless the latter knew Piccolo had power to spare).

1. No problem with that.
2. He doesn't need to be above Piccolo anyway. Viz or Herms, Kaioshin's statement in the very next panel shows the reason
Piccolo backed down wasn't strength and he didn't want the others to find out who Kaioshin was, so he gave some excuse
for forfeiting.
3. No problem. Grey Buu vs Fat Buu happened fast and AT didn't feel like interrupting the scene to show everybody's reactions
before Super Buu's advent was complete.
4. No problem.
5. Piccolo's statement was obviously referring to what Cell could become, not to his current power.
6. No problem. The manga fight clearly indicated quite a gap.
7. It would. In Viz, Old Kai says ''it doesn't hurt they live to outdo each other'', which can be interpreted as a rivalry boost, since
the context was talking about the fusion's power.
8. Ok, how about 1250?
9. It wasn't cleared out whether 19 post>Debut Trunks; Piccolo wondered whether they'd just become too strong. But, i don't
put Nineteen pre high anyway.
10. What point? Explain.
11. I don't know what statement you're referring to, but Weighted Piccolo was dead even with Kami. No statement can
contradict what was shown in the battlefield.

 

[ahill1]

2. He doesn't need to be above Piccolo anyway. Viz or Herms, Kaioshin's statement in the very next panel shows the reason
Piccolo backed down wasn't strength and he didn't want the others to find out who Kaioshin was, so he gave some excuse
for forfeiting.

Fair enough, but I just take the simpler route, whereas "different dimensions" was always used in a "battle power appraisal". It also makes most sense with Goku's question and Kuririn's reactions, though like you said Piccolo could be only omitting Kaioshin's identity.

3. No problem. Grey Buu vs Fat Buu happened fast and AT didn't feel like interrupting the scene to show everybody's reactions
before Super Buu's advent was complete.

AT should've showed if it happened. Better saying, I could just say AT didn't want to show much of a fight in that instance, where in the Kid Boo's arc, Good Boo should keep the former busy for quite a time until the Genki-Dama was ready.

5. Piccolo's statement was obviously referring to what Cell could become, not to his current power.

Only in Herms' translations. In Viz, Green Man said:

Piccolo: "Don't underestimate it [Cell], Vegeta. Cell is far stronger than the Androids and you were powerless against them."

It seems he was talking about the current Cell, not how he could potentially become.

6. No problem. The manga fight clearly indicated quite a gap.

I don't see it as "quite a gap". Cell was obviously stronger, but I see no need to have Cell's advantage over Goku bigger than 24k Vegeta's advantage over handsome Zarbon.

7. It would. In Viz, Old Kai says ''it doesn't hurt they live to outdo each other'', which can be interpreted as a rivalry boost, since
the context was talking about the fusion's power.

I interpret the "they live to outdo each other" more as they pushing each other to become stronger, thus making a stronger fusion.

8. Ok, how about 1250?

Seems OK. Raditz would also be exactly equal to the Saibaiman according to the way Nappa said it in Viz version.

9. It wasn't cleared out whether 19 post>Debut Trunks; Piccolo wondered whether they'd just become too strong. But, i don't put Nineteen pre high anyway.

After being punched by #19, Vegeta said he figured they were at this level, so he's obviously talking about #19 post absorptions. If he was referring to #19 pre, he would mention them being higher than he expected or something like this. Piccolo was referring to post #20.

10. What point? Explain.

I'll try to find it.

11. I don't know what statement you're referring to, but Weighted Piccolo was dead even with Kami. No statement can
contradict what was shown in the battlefield.

http://mangafox.me/manga/dragon_ball/v16/c181/10.html

I also don't agree with this, unless Shen was referring to Piccolo's hidden powers, since he was just warming up in that fight.

 

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5. I still think we can assume he was talking about what Cell could become, considering Cell was obviously weaker than Androids
and Piccolo already knew Cell should absorb them to show his true strength.
6. That's the gap i have. Maybe one step ahead is 1.07x and two steps 1.14x
7. I said it can be interpreted as a rivalry boost in the context this statement is made. I'm not saying it has to be interpreted this
way. We don't have to use the rivalry boost theory.
9. Piccolo was referring to both Androids and had seen Nineteen post.
11. Since they'd just been dead even, the only logical assumption is Kami knew Piccolo was toying.

 

[ahill1]

9. Piccolo was referring to both Androids and had seen Nineteen post.

They always group the Androids like this though. Vegeta also said something like this without even seeing #20 in action.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

It'd change somethings regarding power debates. Oozaru Vegeta's power would be more up to interpretation... Kaioshin would no longer need to be above Piccolo and could be put below the base Saiyans.

Grey Boo >>> Good Boo = Fat Boo (the only problem with it is that Grey Boo wasn't sensed from Kaioshin's realm).

Goku (Boo saga) could be above Cell Games Gohan by a wider margin.

Imperfect Cell (Ginger Town) would be above the present Androids based on Kamiccolo's reply to Vegeta, though it'd obviously find contradictions due to Kamiccolo's match against #17.

Cell (vs Goku) > Goku by a wider margin, since Vegeta stated that Cell wasn't just one, but two steps ahead of Kakarotto.

The rivals boost for Potara would no longer be implied.

The Saibaimans would be over 1,200.

#19 pre couldn't be that strong, since it was said his power multiplied after absorbing Goku's KMHMH, yet this #19 is suppossedly not too stronger than Mecha saga Trunks.

The Fat Boo > SSJ Gotenks (pre) believers would have a bit more of a point, though I remember Clearin from DBZF providing a good explanation for Viz's line.

Piccolo (warm up and weighted) would be much stronger than Kami-Sama, as strange as it seems (unless the latter knew Piccolo had power to spare).

I found more...

-Imperfect Cell (post humans)> Ginger Cell + Weighted Kamiccolo
-The gap between SSJ Vegeta/SSJ Alternate Trunks (android arc) is small
-The gap between Popo/Kami doesn't have to be large
-25th TB Gohan doesn't have to be much weaker than CGs Gohan

 

[ahill1]

-Imperfect Cell (post humans)> Ginger Cell + Weighted Kamiccolo
-The gap between SSJ Vegeta/SSJ Alternate Trunks (android arc) is small

Herms doesn't have it as well?

-25th TB Gohan doesn't have to be much weaker than CGs Gohan

That would help so much in my lists. I like to have Boo saga Gohan at Perfect Cell [vs Goku] level, which is a problem with the "far, far better" line from Vegeta.

 

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-Imperfect Cell (post humans)> Ginger Cell + Weighted Kamiccolo
-The gap between SSJ Vegeta/SSJ Alternate Trunks (android arc) is small

Herms doesn't have it as well?

-At Viz, Cell says that, by absorbing Weighted Kamiccolo, his initial evolution will almost be complete. Later, he says (both Viz and
Herms) that he absorbed more people than needed. This creates the chain...
Cell (post humans)> Cell (initial evolution)~ Ginger Cell + Weighted Kamiccolo
At Herms, there is not this line. He says that, by absorbing Weighted Kamiccolo, he'll come closer to becoming perfect.
-Kami says at Viz that Vegeta is ''potentially stronger'' than Trunks, whereas, at Herms, he says just ''stronger''.