What % was Mecha Freeza at when he died?

[SSJ2]

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[Captain Cadaver]

Probably 50-70% when considering that seems to be the standard for his non-buffed up self (unless assuming his cybernetics didn't make increasing muscle mass a necessity anymore), though significantly below 100% regardless as nobody mentioned a huge spike in Ki. Even at 100%, the battle wouldn't have gone much differently when considering how the narrative constantly frames the feat of Trunks oneshotting Freeza.

 

[Hector]

I think he was 100% when he fired that final blast.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Gohan's quote ("this is nothing") makes it seem like he might've been in the early % of power. I wouldn't even put him at 50% of his power.

Logically, you'd think Freeza would've fired that blast with his all. We've seen him jump from 50% to around 70% unleashing a kiai. I suppose he could jump to his max in one blast. However, if that blast was supposed to be his true power, it's pitiful.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

50% would still be nothing compared to 100% of Freeza's power though, especially considering SSJ Galu tanked 50% Freeza's Death Beam and the most his 70% self could do to SSJ Galu was some superficial damage.

 

[Papasmurf]

I'd say 70%. 50% Freeza managed to raise his power up to that level without buffing up or doing a visible power up, so that makes sense. Any lower and it doesn't make sense even with Freeza's lack of rationality and his arrogance in that instance, for him and his father to believe they killed Trunks with that blast.

In the anime (because it drags out all the fights), I would argue Freeza already went 100% when he made that Supernova/Death Ball 10 times the size of what he used on Namek - he had plenty of time to charge his ki.

 

[SSJ2]

Could this imply that Freeza was at 100% before he died? Seems odd to mention that his newfound power was powerless to Trunks if he was heavily suppressed.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

It could, or it could just mean the result would have been the same even had he used 100%. I'd go with the latter when considering nobody noted a huge power up from Freeza.

 

[SSJ2]

I agree with that, although it's possible a power up from 70% to 100% would be overshadowed by Trunks' far superior ki.

If you think about it, a hypothetical power-up from Freeza would have happened while everyone was focused on Trunks' ki, and the battle only lasted for a couple of seconds.

Makes more sense for him to be at 70 tho.

 

[theallpowerfulpuipui]

In dbz logic someone usually dies without holding back, including Cold.

 

[GSM123]

The entry is just detailing the facts. He did get stronger through mechanization and did die vs Trunks, but he never got the chance to power up. Pretty odd that his power would've blown up like that and nobody noticed, not even himself. I mean he was counting the percentages of his power against Goku like any good anime character does and Kaio was hyping his power ups from another dimension, but nobody notices when he gets 10 times stronger at once?

But on the other hand, he could have been at a high percentage all along and just seemed weak because he was just standing around, just like might be the case with King Cold. I'm not sure if he can do that since it kills the point of his suppresion ability but hey, that's not a big leap if you also think he doesn't buff up to power up anymore.

 

[SSJ2]

Who said anything about a 10x increase? Gohan was aware of Namek Freeza's 100% power, so even if he was around his 70% level that would be weak enough to justify saying that he could still power up significantly.

 

[GSM123]

10x was just an example. I side with EV here on how weak Freeza should be to the Z Fighters... "This is nothing" sounds like he was on single digits of either % or millions of BP. But I don't like that. It makes Android Arc Piccolo weak as shit in my numbers.

 

[SSJ2]

"This is nothing" is Viz.

Chapter: 330 (DBZ 136), P9.7
Yamcha: “So this guy called ‘Fr…Freeza’ has such terrible…ab…absurdly large ki…?”
Gohan: “This isn’t it…he gets much, much stronger…!”

 

[GSM123]

Still gives me the same vibes though. But apparently other statements with "much, much" can support a less than 2x gap.

Chapter: 118, P13.4
Context: after Tenshinhan beats Yamcha
Tsuru-sennin: “I wish I could have seen Kame-sennin’s face turn pale. But Tenshinhan’s greatness is much, much more than this.”

Chapter: 175, P4.5, 5.1
Yamcha: “What’s happening? I’m being treated just like a baby.”
Shen: “No no, you’re strong, already quite so. I can tell by your movements. It’s just unfortunate that I’m much, much stronger still. Train just a little bit more, and you’ll soon catch up to me.”

Chapter: 516 (DBZ 322), P11.2-3
Context: after Polunga restores Goku’s stamina and he’s about to finish Boo off with the Genki-Dama
Goku: “I wanna fight you one-on-one…I’ll be waiting…And I’ll have gotten much, much better…See ya later!”

This is all I've got. Two of them are from the pre-Power Levels era and one is from a guy who got at least 400x stronger. Whaddya think [mention]Super Sonic 2[/mention]?

 

[SSJ2]

Same dialogue =/= same situation.

 

[GSM123]

Save that for the Piccolo vs Kaioshin debate

I mean I agree, but it could be a good ground to start nonetheless.

 

[SSJ2]

Sure it is. It means that Freeza gets much, much stronger. Can you quantify that?

 

[SSJ2]

Chapter 341 (DBZ 147), P8.4-5, P9.
Piccolo: “Have you noticed too, Gohan?...”
Gohan: “Y-yes…”
Piccolo: “Son Goku is rushing the match for some reason…He’s already putting out close to his full power…But even so, what’s with that miserable condition of his?...”
Tenshinhan: “Th-that miserable condition…!? What are you talking about? Goku’s overwhelmingly pushing him back…!”
Piccolo: “It’s not that. As a Super Saiyan, Goku’s power should be more stupendous than this…”
Note: Several people thought this quote was contradictory, due to how Piccolo says Goku is using almost his full power but should have much better power than that. To me though it seems pretty straightforward: Goku is using almost all the power he has in his current sick condition, but Piccolo realizes Goku's full power should be much more than that.

This example even uses the same terminology in Viz. Piccolo calling Goku's condition miserable along with saying his power should be "more stupendous" isn't too dissimilar to saying he should be much, much stronger. Yeah, it might not be the exact same thing, but the point being you don't need to be multiple/hundreds of times weaker than your full power to be significantly below where you should be.