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Majin Vegeta losing the Majin boost after death and returning to the way he was before? A great example as to why this happened is because even after having his potential unlocked, his body was extremely veiny, implying that it was having a hard time containing the additional power. Whereas with the Vegeta that came afterwards, this did not happen.

Furthermore, despite seeing Grey Boo, Vegeta was not overly concerned about Boo turning back into that being. This implies that Good Boo and Grey Boo are not overly powerful on their own. His haxed regeneration and stamina are essential to explain his better performance against Pure Boo. Even if Vegeta and Good Boo are comparable, Boo's going to be fine from attacks that would easily wear Vegeta down.

The implications suggest:

Innocent Boo - 1,500
Teen Gohan SSj2 - 600

And Innocent Boo is essentially Grey Boo combined with Good Boo. Don't even argue that the scaling for the meter isn't accurate because it showed Yakon as being 800 and Goku Mssj as being 3,000, because it MAXED out at 3,000, it was obviously much higher and it does not contradict nothing.
 

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What? How does him being veiny imply he couldnt handle the power? This doesn't seem reasonable enough to me. He had to struggle from being controlled all at the same time.
 

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The control and the power unlock are stated to be two separate things.
 

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majin control = \ = majin unlock
 

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Skillz_Zippy said:
What? How does him being veiny imply he couldnt handle the power? This doesn't seem reasonable enough to me. He had to struggle from being controlled all at the same time.

Dabra, Puipui and Yakon aren't veiny either despite getting the same M the Earthlings and Vegeta got. Guess you have to be a human or at least look like one to have veins popping all over your body :elmo
 

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Skillz_Zippy said:
What? How does him being veiny imply he couldnt handle the power? This doesn't seem reasonable enough to me. He had to struggle from being controlled all at the same time.
It seems completely reasonable because he was at his limits.

@Papasmurf Babadi makes it clear that he unlocks their potential AFTER turning them into a Majin. So your argument is moot.
 

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I didn't even make an argument about that, sei'taer was the one who said the processes were separate.

I don't care much about the topic either way as Vegeta'd still be irrelevant, but with no statement either by himself or others that he lost power after death and no one else losing a potential unlock due to dying, I'd side more with Vegeta keeping the power up. Especially if you drag new material into this with Goku keeping SSJG's power after losing the actual form and Vegeta achieving god ki.
 

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Goku keeping SSJG is directly contradicted by Whis a few episodes later. I've also proven that the type of narrative within Dragonball isn't a god of the series, and he does not have more authority than the characters within the story. If you wish for me to do so again, I can happily do so.
 

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Saylé said:
Goku keeping SSJG is directly contradicted by Whis a few episodes later. I've also proven that the type of narrative within Dragonball isn't a god of the series, and he does not have more authority than the characters within the story. If you wish for me to do so again, I can happily do so.
How did Whis contradict it?
 

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Don't care either way if you try to debunk the narrative or not. Also don't really see any credible stuff you conjured up to show Goku didn't keep the god power when Beerus assumes he didn't before being shown otherwise, so that'd fall on deaf ears sadly.
 

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Fearless Saiyajin said:
Saylé said:
Goku keeping SSJG is directly contradicted by Whis a few episodes later. I've also proven that the type of narrative within Dragonball isn't a god of the series, and he does not have more authority than the characters within the story. If you wish for me to do so again, I can happily do so.
How did Whis contradict it?
Minute: 17
Context: Whis provides highly detailed expository dialogue.
Oracle Fish: "Maybe your training is a bit too tough? At this rate, those two are going to die. You could at least have them become those "Super Saiyan" things."
Whis: "That wouldn't do, at all."
Oracle Fish: "It wouldn't?"
Whis: "Those two have just barely reached the level where they can sense the ki of a god. If that castle up there were the level of the gods, then their power is only about this high. They need to raise the level of their ki without becoming Super Saiyan. Otherwise, they won't be able to grow much stronger, since they won't be able to see the realm which lies ahead. Most likely, those two realize this themselves. After all, I never once told them not to become Super Saiyans."
 

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