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Where's Piccolo merged with Kami being 2x from?
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Chapter: 265 (DBZ 71), P3.4-5
Context: the Great Elder reads Kuririn’s mind and learns of God and Piccolo.
Great Elder: “Hmf! He split in two, long ago…after evil entered into him! How foolish… He diminished by half the genius power with which he was gifted at birth! If he had come back together as one, he might not have had to die…”
Context: the Great Elder reads Kuririn’s mind and learns of God and Piccolo.
Great Elder: “Hmf! He split in two, long ago…after evil entered into him! How foolish… He diminished by half the genius power with which he was gifted at birth! If he had come back together as one, he might not have had to die…”
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There you go, I've always thought Kamiccolo > Nailcolo in terms of boost but its not.
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Plus, the difference in power between Piccolo pre merger and post merger would be about x2.
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That statement doesn't imply it is 2x now/b]. It was diminished by half time at his birth.
Besides, that would mean Piccolo got stronger than Base Goku (post gravity training). How can this be possible using far inferior methods (Piccolo used 10x G while Goku used 100x G), and Piccolo didn't abuse of Zenkais like Goku did. Piccolo << 90k.
Besides, that would mean Piccolo got stronger than Base Goku (post gravity training). How can this be possible using far inferior methods (Piccolo used 10x G while Goku used 100x G), and Piccolo didn't abuse of Zenkais like Goku did. Piccolo << 90k.
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It wasn't anywhere near 2x at Namek, since Piccolo was anywhere near half of Freeza's 1st form there. Goku spent 6 days (more or less the same amount of time Piccolo did sped on Kaio's planet), using a gravity ten times greater than that Piccolo used, increasing his powers due to near death increases and yet just reached 90,000 in his base form. Piccolo being higher than that is a no no.
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Guru also didn't think a Saiyan could have killed Nameless Namek unless he was a Super Saiyan. Even if we go really conservative on this and say someone like King Vegeta was the strongest Saiyan Guru was thinking of, that would imply either Kami or Daimao Piccolo was more than half as strong as King Vegeta, which is preposterous. Hell, even if he meant Raditz it's pretty unlikely.
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p123 said:
Because it's suggested to be so at Namek arc.
We don't really have much basis for Androids saga Piccolo's power, for all we know he could be inferior to SS Goku at Namek, so you can't really say the boost was 2x.
Like Super Neko said, Guru also stated Piccolo wouldn't have died against the Saiyans if he had fused with Kami again, which wouldn't make sense with a 2x boost.
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One thing to consider is that Gohan and Krillin had their Chi suppressed. They definitely didn't want to risk alerting him:
When Vegeta woke up, he had no idea where they were and only realized their location when he saw Porunga:
So what Piccolo sensed from Gohan and Krillin was likely nothing special.
When Vegeta woke up, he had no idea where they were and only realized their location when he saw Porunga:
So what Piccolo sensed from Gohan and Krillin was likely nothing special.
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Piccolo > Nail is irrefutable imo. The rest of the implications are more shaky, but the way Kuririn only dismisses Piccolo's power because his opponent was Freeza, saying not even Kaio's training could push him up to that level, and the other crap statements seem to imply Kaio training is ultra haxed for some reason and made Piccolo stronger than him.
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"I don't know how you've trained, but you've got an unbelievable power... You might even win against Freeza if you came here whole" or whatever definitely suggests it. Also, Piccolo feels he can help Gohan and Kuririn after Freeza just went to 530,000; while he'd get killed in a fight against him without fusing with Nail, he does think he can manage something while he outright dismisses managing shit against 4th form Freeza (initial) who isn't exactly 10x above him.
Like, the training gains make no sense, but the story makes much more sense if you assume Piccolo's over 200,000 somehow from training with Kaio.
Like, the training gains make no sense, but the story makes much more sense if you assume Piccolo's over 200,000 somehow from training with Kaio.
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I also think Piccolo being that strong would make more sense, even if his gains were pretty excessive on a puny amount of days. Piccolo notes Freeza's absurdly large chi and yet doesn't feel completely crushed by it and without hope until Nail pointed out how he wouldn't have a chance. Since initial Freeza's power was likely above Ginyu's, due to the way Goku referred to it when saying he senses an amazing chi from "that direction", I'd also say Piccolo upon arriving at Namek was considerably above 120k. I like to have him at ~300k due to the implied 2x boost from Kami's fusion, which would probably put him above 530k.
