Which gap is bigger?

[Let's Go Fearless!]

The gap of Vegeta/Zarbon/Dodoria Or Vegeta/Burter/Jheese

Assuming that Vegeta fought Burter and Jheese at the same time.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Is this Vegeta after healing from the Reacoom battle?

If so, then it'd be far more tremendous for Jheese and Butta.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Yeah

 

[SSJ2]

Vegeta: 24k
Zarbon: 20,500
Dodoria: 19,750

=1.17x and 1.22x respectively.

Vegeta: 50k
Jheese: 40k
Butta: 40k

= 1.25x

 

[ahill1]

Seeing the fights, I don't see the gap between Vegeta/Jheese being higher than the Vegeta vs Dodoria gap. But considering Ginyu implying possessing Vegeta's body would give him the upper hand against guys that were outstripping him in Goku's body, I think Vegeta (vs Jheese) >> 180k.

 

[SSJ2]

I used to use that argument, but Ginyu is better off in Vegeta's body than Goku's 23k body.

I believe Vegeta goes up to 250k, but not until later in the Ginyu fight. His feats against Jheese prior to the one shot ki blast imply he was suppressed a lot.

http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8403153/1/

Read KP's counter arguments on it.

 

[ahill1]

But you think Vegeta raised his power to >>180k when finishing Jheese, right? I also remember TigerOfTheWind making a good point about Vegeta not being that strong yet. I'll find It. I'll read KP's arguments too.

 

[SSJ2]

Yes, when the scouter is used, Vegeta surfaces his ki.

I used to argue that Vegeta thought he was becoming really close to becoming a Super Saiyan, and he thought Goku was a Super Saiyan at 60k. However, he also knew Goku had Kaioken up to x4, and he didn't even know Super Saiyan was a transformation. He seemed to think of Super Saiyan as surpassing the Saiyan limit of battle power, so he could be factoring in Goku's Kaioken to that. Thus, Goku being 240,000, and Vegeta being around there after his zenkai.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

I don't think he remember Goku had a kaioken tbh...

 

[Papasmurf]

He saw how Goku drastically raised his battle power from his base of 8000 during his fights against Nappa and himself. Hell, Goku even declared the Kaioken x 2~4 in his face.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

True, but i think the kaioken was forgotten.

 

[Papasmurf]

Why would he forget? The freeza arc is only a month after the battles on Earth.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Everyone forgot about it. The only thing in Vegeta's mind when it comes on power is zenkai and SSJ.

 

[Papasmurf]

Not even Toriyama forgot at the time. Therefore, in-universe characters shouldn't either

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

The only one who have kaioken in mind is Goku [ ].

 

[SSJ2]

Everyone forgot about it. The only thing in Vegeta's mind when it comes on power is zenkai and SSJ.

Vegeta doesn't even know what SSJ was. He thought that he was a Super Saiyan vs Freeza in two occasions just because he had a high battle power.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Everyone forgot about it. The only thing in Vegeta's mind when it comes on power is zenkai and SSJ.

Vegeta doesn't even know what SSJ was. He thought that he was a Super Saiyan vs Freeza in two occasions just because he had a high battle power.

Of course he doesn't know that yet. What i was saying that once SSJ was brought up during the fight of Goku and Racoome, Kaioken was irrelevant and the only one who cared about it was Goku.

 

[SSJ2]

You missed my point then. Vegeta views SSJ as a level of battle power. Kaioken is included in Goku's battle power, and it certainly wasn't irrelevant.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Well make sense to me, beside all he knew was kaioken 5x at least.

 

[Tapion]

He didn't forget Kaioken at all. How Vegeta could possibly forget the technique that caused his defeat?