Which is bigger gap

[KyuubiAhri]

Mecha frieza and SSj future trunks or Cell games piccolo and Cell jr?

 

[Animelover5487]

I'll say Mecha Freeza vs Future Trunks due to Freeza being one-shot material and Piccolo shouldn't be too far from Vegeta/Trunks who were on par with the Cell Juniors. I also like to follow this chain which leaves a lot of room between Mecha Freeza and Trunks:

SSJ Future Trunks > SSJ Future Gohan (One Arm) > #17 (Less than half) > SSJ Future Gohan (Two Arms) > Mecha Freeza > SSJ Goku (Namek)

 

[withheldforprivacy]

In my books, Freeza/Trunks.

 

[ahill1]

Freeza/Trunks as well. Trunks said he would be able to take out Mecha Freeza pretty quickly, and the Cell Junior clearly couldn't make Piccolo eat dirty easily.

 

[SSJ2]

Freeza/Trunks = 72%
Piccolo/Jr = 71%

Pretty much the same.

 

[Pyro]

Piccolo and Cell Junior by far. I don't think Freeza and Trunks is more than 20-30%.

 

[p123]

Well to play devil's advocate here for what we assume Trunks level was against Freeza, do we really think that Vegeta would react any different to Dodoria? How about Dodoria with KKx2 Goku? That's essentially what we would be seeing more or less I bet.


Vegeta vs Dodoria and KKx2 Goku

Trunks vs Freeza and King Cold


Do we overplay our interpretation too much? We like to assume there's all of these 1.5x boosts all over the place, it just may not be the case.

 

[SSJ2]

Trunks offered to take both Cold and Freeza at FP... warrants much more imo

 

[ahill1]

I think Piccolo is 88% of a mini Cell (I don't have in my pl lists, but that's the right range IMO). So even if Freeza is like 80% of Trunks, the gap is still bigger.

Also P, weren't you going with 2 arm Future Gohan SSJ > Mecha Freeza? Sure this would make the gap bigger than Vegeta vs Dodoria.

 

[SSJ2]

I have: Piccolo - 50, Junior - 70.

 

[ahill1]

I think that's too big, but K.

 

[SSJ2]

Shit yeah, you're right! Great argument! I quit, bye.

 

[ahill1]

Bow before me nigger. I am an one word guy.

 

[SSJ2]

I conceded already you conceited little bitch. Get the fuck out with your faggot ass shit.

 

[Victorious]

Kamiccolo could be around 85% of a Cell Junior...I do not think the Cell Juniors were trying to finish the Z Senshi off though. However, it's hard to imagine even full power Mecha Freeza being 85% of SSJ Future Trunks. More like 70% at max..maybe even 60%.

Freeza gave SSJ Goku on Namek one heck of a battle but clearly he is far below the SSJs by the time Future Trunks shows up. Freeza as godly powerful..almost unlimited power as he was portrayed to have..literally thousands of times more powerful than the #2 guy in his empire [Captain Ginyu] was warrented to fear Super Saiyans. Since even if we are to not include the post RoSaT powers which could be counted as a form of cheating...was still several fold weaker than Android Arc SSJs.

 

[ahill1]

Didn't Monster Zarbon fuck up Vegeta with an 85% gap?

 

[Victorious]

Yeah he fucked up Vegeta. But Trunks implies he can virtually annihilate both Mecha Freeza and Kind Cold at the same time.

Monster Zarbon still had to engage Vegeta for a little while and wear him down before Vegeta was on the verge of death..while suppressed Mecha Freeza was chopped and insta killed. Now suppressed Mecha is not full power Mecha Freeza but i feel it's implied by AT that it makes no differnce.

 

[ahill1]

I was more referring to the Piccolo vs Cell Juniors point. You said yo have Piccolo at 85% of them, but he was standing without any big injury after a while of fight.

 

[p123]

Piccolo can be as low at 75% and be fine. The Cell Junior is not trying to annihilate Piccolo from the get go and a 1.33x gap is not enough to put someone in the dirt that quickly. So anywhere from 75-83% is fine. Piccolo is beat to shit, he looks terrible against a Cell that's only recently really tried to put him down. Could be higher, but I don't think Piccolo is all that close. Piccolo vs Vegeta during the Androids and the Cell Game could be similar imo.

Well as I said SSJ. Imagine if KKx2 Goku and Dodoria were around. Dodoria suppressed himself to KKx2 Goku's level. You don't think Vegeta wouldn't mind letting Dodoria power up? The team of Dodoria and Goku is getting fucking smoked by Vegeta. The team up shit only works when someone is decently close in power, Dodoria is pretty much pure trash to Vegeta.

 

[p123]

Monster Zarbon capitalized on a strategic standpoint. He was able to get Vegeta's back and chuck him into the ground. If Monster Zarbon vs Vegeta continued in a hand to hand fight, it would take a hell of a lot longer.

Back to Freeza. Let's think of someone else for a change.

Vegeta, Gohan and Krillen vs Reecome. I bet you, I fucking bet you that Reecome has no problem with Vegeta powering up from 18k to 30k or whatever. He would say bring that shit on.