Would Gotenks have a rival boost?

[SSJ2]

What do you think?

 

[Six Trails]

Impossible to have something that doesn't exist.

 

[SSJ2]

?

 

[Six Trails]

I don't really see a reason why being rivals should increase the power of fusion. Goku and Vegeta's rivalry pushes them to become stronger individually, which makes the resulting fusion stronger since stronger components = stronger Fusion.

 

[SSJ2]

Idk. Imo Old Kaioshin is a boss, and he makes it sound as if it brought a tangible boost to the fusion, albeit just the cherry on top. I think it would have been worded differently if such was the case.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Nah, I don't think so. A rival boost is something special exclusive only to Goku and Vegeta IMO.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Idk. Imo Old Kaioshin is a boss,

and he makes it sound as if it brought a tangible boost to the fusion, albeit just the cherry on top. I think it would have been worded differently if such was the case.

I agree with this stance. The gap between the kids and the adults isn't so great that they should be leagues apart in the same form, yet most of the evidence points to SS3 Gogeta > Gotenks Boo, which would require some additional boost.

That said, I don't think Gotenks would receive this benefit. Not just for the reason of scaling, but because his components don't live to surpass each other or gain further strength. Goten and Trunks just fight each other for fun, essential being the diet version of Goku/Vegeta.

Super also supports this with Shin implying biological compatibility is a factor in fusion when mentioning #17 and #18 should Potara fuse because their compatibility would give them a great boost iirc. Goku and Vegeta are probably closer genetically from such a small race as the Saiyans compared to two half-breeds born of women of a species as diverse as humans.

 

[Ultimate Cell]

Would the whole rivals boost even apply to fusion dance? All mentions of it only applies to potarra. Also no to the op question. Goten and Trunks arent rivals.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Would the whole rivals boost even apply to fusion dance? All mentions of it only applies to potarra.

I don't see why it wouldn't apply to Gogeta. After all, Elder Kaioshin shouldn't have been aware of Goku and Vegeta's rivalry to much of an extent beforehand and likely took that into account from his observation of their interactions just prior to fusing. Meanwhile, Goku wasn't aware of the rival boost, so he wouldn't have taken it into account when discussing Metamoran fusion.

 

[GSM123]

Dunno. Is the rival boost a thing because the relationship between fusers matters or is it because Goku pushes Vegeta to be stronger and vice versa, making a fusion between them the perfect match? How fusion works is a mystery. If it's the former, then they might get something like a "Friendship boost" (That sonds retarded asf, lol).

Though going with newer material, it might be the later. Manga MZ wasn't very impressive even though Zamasu and Black were a great match. Same for Kefla.

I don't really see a reason why being rivals should increase the power of fusion. Goku and Vegeta's rivalry pushes them to become stronger individually, which makes the resulting fusion stronger since stronger components = stronger Fusion.

He mentions their power and their rivalry as different factors, though.

Chapter: 504 (DBZ 310), P9.2-3
Context: as Vegetto beats up on Gohan-absorbed Boo
Kaioshin-Kibito: “H-he’s strong!!! Majin Boo there is helpless!!! To think that merging with the Potara would be this incredible…!!”
Elder Kaioshin: “Idiot, it’s because it was those two that they were able to go so far. Two of the top 3 masters in both the living world and afterlife have merged, after all. What’s more, two rivals have joined together. That’s definitely strongest.”

I mean, it's only natural the fact it's Goku and Vegeta would matter for the boost since it's implied Potara isn't a fix multiplier for everyone.

 

[Tapion]

Both Goten and Trunks showcase the same competitive personality the majority of kids in real life have, and are more or less the same type of rivals as Vegeta and Goku in DBS, close friends who love competing with each other; therefore, Gotenks would have a rival-boost, assuming it exists. Which goes hand in hand with the statements we had at hand regarding Gogeta's stature.

I don't see why it wouldn't apply to Gogeta. After all, Elder Kaioshin shouldn't have been aware of Goku and Vegeta's rivalry to much of an extent beforehand and likely took that into account from his observation of their interactions just prior to fusing. Meanwhile, Goku wasn't aware of the rival boost, so he wouldn't have taken it into account when discussing Metamoran fusion.

Gotenks was (possibly) unknowingly amped by the rival boost and Goku's estimates on Gogeta take into account the power of Gotenks; herefore, even if it applied to Gogeta, the estimates would already be taking it into account.

Furthermore, Elder Kaioshin states that, because it was Goku and Vegeta, the Potara was able to go so far.