But Tenshinhan also couldn't believe Goku defeated Tao Pai Pai even upon experiencing first hand the power of one of Kame-sen'nin's disciple (Yamcha), neither could Kame-sennin:Don't know what's even left to debate here. Yamcha was capable of at least impressing Tenshinhan moreso than he expected of the Kame Sennin school, despite Goku already low-diffing someone everyone agreed he'd at the very least have a tough time against even with 3 years of additional training from a level capable of stomping Taopaipai. Yamcha zero-diffs.
Captain Cadaver said:It's most likely that Ten was shocked someone of Taopaipai's skill and experience could be beaten by Goku, rather than it being purely power based. Ten likely overstimated Tao's abilities in that category due to him having been Ten's superior in the Tsuru Sennin school for many years as well as his idol.
Fantastische Hure said:Everyone said watching Goku (vs Chapa-o) that Goku improved, though so Goku (vs Chapa-o) > Goku (post-Karin-training) based on the fight and what he did in that. They saw Goku go all-out against Grand-Pa Gohan before that and still came to the conclusion that what Goku showed in this fight was more impressive. Also shows Goku's progression and that'd make little sense if Chapa-o was even lower than Tao-Pai-Pai.
Chapter: 115, P1.2-3
Jackie Chun: “Mmm… King Chapa, eh…?”
Yamcha: “Mr. Chun…?”
Jackie Chun: “Son Goku has certainly found himself in a sticky match right from the very start…”
Yamcha: “Indeed…”
Even so, they concluded from Goku's performance/movements Goku now > Goku 3 years ago.ahill1 said:Fantastische Hure said:Everyone said watching Goku (vs Chapa-o) that Goku improved, though so Goku (vs Chapa-o) > Goku (post-Karin-training) based on the fight and what he did in that. They saw Goku go all-out against Grand-Pa Gohan before that and still came to the conclusion that what Goku showed in this fight was more impressive. Also shows Goku's progression and that'd make little sense if Chapa-o was even lower than Tao-Pai-Pai.
You don't need a high caliber fighter to show one's improvement. Goku also concluded Yamcha improved a good deal over this beating a random scrub in the preliminaries:
So did that giant in the fight against Kuririn, where Goku stated the new Kuririn is way better than the one of three years ago:
I doubt anyone would put those scrubs even at 21st Kuririn's level yet they served in showing both Kuririn and Yamcha's improvements.