Yonkos vs Admirals

[ahill1]

A 3 vs 3 battle, between the greatest powers of the OP's world:

Akainu, Aokiji & Kizaru

vs

Big Mom, Kaido and Shanks


Which group would emerge victorious? The Yonkos or the Admirals?


Bonus question: how does the top three from Luffy's crew compare to them currently, post TS? Do you think Zoro, Sanji or Luffy (with Gear 4) could maybe fight on par with an admiral?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Yonkos win. Akainu's most likely the strongest Admiral in terms of raw power, and he was only able to fight on par with a WB that had been heavily injured beforehand and already fought Aokiji and Kizaru during the same battle. Fresh Yonko will put up a far greater performance, especially with Kaidou being considered unkillable.

As for the Monster Trio VS 1 Admiral, I say they could win. G4 Luffy ought to already be closing in on Admiral tier due to being around the level of most Yonko 2nd-in commands, so with Zoro and Sanji to back him up, even if they get fodderised shortly after, I say he could take down one of the Admirals, depending on who it is. Akainu's probably the best one to take down, since he focuses more on brute force than the others, whereas I don't think Luffy could overcome Aokiji or Kizaru's DF hax. Fujitora is debatable, though at best I think Luffy could manage a draw due to his Gravity hax keeping Luffy at bay for a while.

 

[sei'taer]

The balance only works because the yonko are singular entities. More than one of them would be serious problems for the marines.

 

[ahill1]

Yonkos win. Akainu's most likely the strongest Admiral in terms of raw power, and he was only able to fight on par with a WB that had been heavily injured beforehand and already fought Aokiji and Kizaru during the same battle. Fresh Yonko will put up a far greater performance, especially with Kaidou being considered unkillable.

So Yonko >> Admiral individually? Do you think Shanks, for example, would defeat Akainu without too much problems, like Big Mom would also defeat Aokiji or Fujitora?

As for the Monster Trio VS 1 Admiral, I say they could win. G4 Luffy ought to already be closing in on Admiral tier due to being around the level of most Yonko 2nd-in commands, so with Zoro and Sanji to back him up, even if they get fodderised shortly after, I say he could take down one of the Admirals, depending on who it is. Akainu's probably the best one to take down, since he focuses more on brute force than the others, whereas I don't think Luffy could overcome Aokiji or Kizaru's DF hax. Fujitora is debatable, though at best I think Luffy could manage a draw due to his Gravity hax keeping Luffy at bay for a while.

What about them individually? What do you think it's their level?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

So Yonko >> Admiral individually? Do you think Shanks, for example, would defeat Akainu without too much problems, like Big Mom would also defeat Aokiji or Fujitora?

Admirals can still prove a challenge to any of the Yonko. I still see the Yonko coming out on top in any scenario, though not without some difficulty.

What about them individually? What do you think it's their level?

G4 Luffy is around the level of the Yonko Commanders. Taking Asura into account, Zoro's probably in between Gears 3rd and 4th at most, whilst Sanji with Hell's Memories is probably around G2 Luffy's level, so about Jimbei tier.

 

[ahill1]

So Yonko >> Admiral individually? Do you think Shanks, for example, would defeat Akainu without too much problems, like Big Mom would also defeat Aokiji or Fujitora?

Admirals can still prove a challenge to any of the Yonko. I still see the Yonko coming out on top in any scenario, though not without some difficulty.

What about them individually? What do you think it's their level?

G4 Luffy is around the level of the Yonko Commanders. Taking Asura into account, Zoro's probably in between Gears 3rd and 4th at most, whilst Sanji with Hell's Memories is probably around G2 Luffy's level, so about Jimbei tier.

Do you think Zoro with Asura (or his strongest attack) could do something to Doflamingo?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Maybe some superficial damage like G2 Luffy did when Doffy was weakened, but that's about it.

 

[ahill1]

Maybe some superficial damage like G2 Luffy did when Doffy was weakened, but that's about it.

Wow, so you think there's a huuuge difference between Luffy and Zoro.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Well, from what feats we have, Base Zoro >/>> G2 Luffy, so in equal forms, Zoro's far ahead. However, Zoro logically shouldn't be close to G4 Luffy with his best skills. Whilst he stated they may have to switch Captains if not for Luffy's Haoshoku Haki, implying Zoro's best techniques are above G3 Luffy, he wouldn't view CoC as enough if he were that far above Luffy. Not only that, but considering he never held any disagreement with Luffy taking on Doflamingo instead, it's safe to say Luffy's still top dog amongst the Straw Hats by quite an amount.

 

[ahill1]

Well, from what feats we have, Base Zoro >/>> G2 Luffy, so in equal forms, Zoro's far ahead. However, Zoro logically shouldn't be close to G4 Luffy with his best skills. Whilst he stated they may have to switch Captains if not for Luffy's Haoshoku Haki, implying Zoro's best techniques are above G3 Luffy, he wouldn't view CoC as enough if he were that far above Luffy. Not only that, but considering he never held any disagreement with Luffy taking on Doflamingo instead, it's safe to say Luffy's still top dog amongst the Straw Hats by quite an amount.

If base Zoro is already >> G2 Luffy, why do you say Zoro's best techniques (which should then logically be >>>> G2 Luffy) would only deal superficial damage comparable to G2 then? It seems there's a leap in logic there.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

They'd still have to be more or less in the same league as Gear 3rd, which was pretty much ineffective against Doflamingo.

 

[ahill1]

They'd still have to be more or less in the same league as Gear 3rd, which was pretty much ineffective against Doflamingo.

True, but wouldn't that imply the gap between Gear Third and Gear Second Luffy is above the gap between Zoro and his best technique (possibly Asura)? Whilst possible, Gear Third never seemed to be in a complete different level from Gear Second, to me.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

I'd completely disagree with the notion of Gear 2nd and 3rd not being in different leagues. The damage dealt to Lucci with regular attacks from both seems to make that much clear. That, and plot dictates power.

 

[SSJ2]

The entire purpose of G3 Puffy vs Lucci was to show how much stronger Luffy had gotten. He almost pounded Lucci out of consciousness with one blow in G3.

 

[ahill1]

Fair enough, but is it the same for Post Timeskip?

 

[SSJ2]

I don't see why not.

 

[ahill1]

Well, from what feats we have, Base Zoro >/>> G2 Luffy, so in equal forms, Zoro's far ahead. However, Zoro logically shouldn't be close to G4 Luffy with his best skills. Whilst he stated they may have to switch Captains if not for Luffy's Haoshoku Haki, implying Zoro's best techniques are above G3 Luffy, he wouldn't view CoC as enough if he were that far above Luffy. Not only that, but considering he never held any disagreement with Luffy taking on Doflamingo instead, it's safe to say Luffy's still top dog amongst the Straw Hats by quite an amount.

Wait, something I caught on... if base Zoro is > G2 Luffy and [best technique] Zoro > G3 Luffy, wouldn't this mean Zoro is , in general, > Law?

 

[SSJ2]

Yes, but without a hax Devil Fruit.

 

[ahill1]

Well, Law showed to be more or less on par with G2 (at most G3) with his Akuma no Mi, since he was using it all the time.