Your placement of Base Saiyans, Kaioshin, Piccolo.

[SSJ2]

In basic terms, what chain would you have for these 3?

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Piccolo > Base Saiyans > Kaioshin

 

[SSJ2]

Very good young man, very good.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

Base Saiyans > the rest.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Very good young man, very good.

Sarcasm?

 

[GSM123]

Kaioshin > Piccolo > Freeza > Base Saiyans ftw

I mean, Piccolo flat out says he's fodder to Kaioshin. Guidebooks only confirm it.

Goku shits a brick when Kaioshin says he can one shot Freeza. Statements claiming that a Base Saiyan can only become so strong before hitting a wall and needing SSJ to go stronger would further confirm the notion that SSJ is required to beat Freeza and above.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Kaioshin > Piccolo > Freeza > Base Saiyans ftw

I mean, Piccolo flat out says he's fodder to Kaioshin. Guidebooks only confirm it.

Goku shits a brick when Kaioshin says he can one shot Freeza. Statements claiming that a Base Saiyan can only become so strong before hitting a wall and needing SSJ to go stronger would further confirm the notion that SSJ is required to beat Freeza and above.

Piccolo said that because Kaioshin is a God so naturally he assumed that Shin was a lot stronger than everyone. How did that turned out.

 

[GSM123]

Well, he turned out weaker than The Saiyans. Piccolo remains incredibly irrelevant in the power chain for his claim to be doubted, and Kaioshin's later feats may confirm he's pretty strong. There are both Daizenshuu entries as well.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Well, he turned out weaker than The Saiyans. Piccolo remains incredibly irrelevant in the power chain for his claim to be doubted, and Kaioshin's later feats may confirm he's pretty strong. There are both Daizenshuu entries as well.

You mean weaker than the Base Saiyans? Also what feats are you taking about that made Kaioshin pretty strong?

 

[GSM123]

Weaker than Super Saiyans, he only directly admits such upon seeing SSJ2 Goku's burst and remembering SSJ2 Gohan's Budokai power. But not weaker than Base Saiyans, as Goku is bewildered by Kaioshin being capable of one shoting Freeza.

He did paralyze suppressed SSJ2 Gohan at the Budokai with some effort and managed to keep on his feet against Majin Boo. If we overestimate Piccolo, he fared as good against his Cell Jr as Kaioshin did against Majin Boo. Piccolo would've been destroyed instantly in Kaioshin's place.

 

[SSJ2]

Very good young man, very good.

Sarcasm?

Nope. I have Piccolo >>>>>>> Base Saiyans >>>>>>> Pocus >\> Kaioshin

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Weaker than Super Saiyans, he only directly admits such upon seeing SSJ2 Goku's burst and remembering SSJ2 Gohan's Budokai power. But not weaker than Base Saiyans, as Goku is bewildered by Kaioshin being capable of one shoting Freeza.

The manga actually implied that the Base Saiyans are stronger than Kaioshin. Kaioshin thought about teaming up against Babidi's warriors but later was surprised that the Saiyans can handle the opponent one on one without sweat which implied that Kaioshin can't handle Babidi's minions by himself but the Base Saiyans can do it no problem.

He did paralyze suppressed SSJ2 Gohan at the Budokai with some effort and managed to keep on his feet against Majin Boo. If we overestimate Piccolo, he fared as good against his Cell Jr as Kaioshin did against Majin Boo. Piccolo would've been destroyed instantly in Kaioshin's place.

Paralyzing doesn't conclude that the user is strong but rather the technique is strong. I think the Daiz support this iirc. Similarly like Tien's Kihoho against Cell. Kaioshin got destroyed by Boo but was only able to survived for plot reason.

 

[GSM123]

No one under Babidi's spell could be sensed though, sans Vegeta. Spopovich is directly stated to have no Ki, and Goku and Vegeta are shown to gauge Dabra and Yakon's powers by their movements rather than Ki. They're later shown to be overrated, as Babidi, who was responsible for chosing the warriors, thought he could take on Kaioshin himself despite being fodder to Piccolo.

He did use some effort to paralyze Gohan, so it wasn't only the technique, the strength of the user is important as well.

Why plot? Why can't Kaioshin be strong enough, specially when absolutely nothing implies he's so weak? That sounds like circular reasoning.

Also [mention]Fearless 2k19[/mention], Piccolo couldn't possibly assume Kaioshin was strong because of status when he wasn't even aware of it. He only found out he's a god in the next chapter.

 

[Pyro]

Kaioshin >>> Piccolo >>> Base Saiyans

Clean and simple, like a freshly showered and shaved pussy. Something you boys haven't experienced in this lifetime, but maybe the next one.

 

[GSM123]

Kaioshin >>> Piccolo >>> Base Saiyans

Clean and simple, like a freshly showered and shaved pussy. Something you boys haven't experienced in this lifetime, but maybe the next one.

Only true MEN know what it's like

I do miss the good an old Base adults > Kaioshin > Pui > Piccolo > Boys >= 18 though.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Original manga: Piccolo>Base>Kaioshin

Super anime: Kaioshin>Piccolo>Base

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Trunks blasted Cell out of the city and Cell said he improved considerably.

 

[SSJ2]

Trunks blasted Cell out of the city and Cell said he improved considerably.

Piccolo would finger flick that Cell.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I was just referring to the argument that Saiyans hit a wall after SSJ and their regular states can't improve anymore or something.

 

[Pocket-God]

Piccolo > Base Saiyans > Kaioshin

I'll go with this one.