Z-Sword Gohan proves SSJ2 more than 2x

[Power Level Guy]

Here's some things we must assume.

SSJ Z Sword Gohan = SSJ2 Teen Gohan

And then we have to assume that SSJ2 Z Sword Gohan is somewhere decently within reach for Fat Buu.

Let's try a 2x boost and see what happens.

SSJ3 Goku (All Out) 100
SSJ3 Goku 80
Fat Buu 75
SSJ2 Z Gohan 50
SSJ Z Gohan 25
SSJ2 Teen Gohan 25
SS2 Goku 25


Boom, already proved it. SSJ2 cannot be simply 2x it doesn't allow for enough spacing. Z Gohan > Goku except for SSJ3.

This is a huge for the SSJ2 does not equal 2x group.

 

[SSJ2]

I agree, but you know the counter argument is going to be that Z Sword Gohan was overrated and not anywhere near Fat Boo.

 

[Power Level Guy]

I agree, but you know the counter argument is going to be that Z Sword Gohan was overrated and not anywhere near Fat Boo.

Shin and Gohan both think he has a chance and Goku even seem to consider it as well.

There's no reason he's not at least somewhere in the realm of Fat Buu.

 

[SSJ2]

Expect GreatNerferman123 to disagree.

 

[Power Level Guy]

Expect GreatNerferman123 to disagree.

He's allowed to be wrong. I can't overly worry about people who can't interpret basic concepts here you know? The show must go on.

So you agree Z Sword Gohan proves SSJ2 is more than 2x? No pushback?

 

[SSJ2]

Yeah I've always had SSJ2 at 4x to account for the Cell Games.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I agree, but you know the counter argument is going to be that Z Sword Gohan was overrated and not anywhere near Fat Boo.

No, the counter is that Z Sword SSJ = SSJ2 comes from a boss fight in DBZ: Kakarot. Surprised to see you even taking DBS into account.

 

[Power Level Guy]

No, the counter is that Z Sword SSJ = SSJ2 comes from a boss fight in DBZ: Kakarot. Surprised to see you even taking DBS into account.

Yeah, that's not what I'm talking about lol.

In the DBS manga, Toyo gives us a little insight here.

SSJ Z Sword Trunks is shown to have similar feats with SSJ Z Sword Gohan.

Then we get to see that power in action.

SSJ Z Sword Trunks was able to match Future Dabura.

Toyo most likely thinks that Gohan was a SSJ2 against Dabura, then we have SSJ Z Sword Trunks with similar feats to SSJ2 Gohan vs Dabura.

So thus, we have SSJ2 Teen Gohan = SSJ Z Sword Trunks.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Yeah, that's not what I'm talking about lol.

In the DBS manga, Toyo gives us a little insight here.

SSJ Z Sword Trunks is shown to have similar feats with SSJ Z Sword Gohan.

Then we get to see that power in action.

SSJ Z Sword Trunks was able to match Future Dabura.

Toyo most likely thinks that Gohan was a SSJ2 against Dabura, then we have SSJ Z Sword Trunks with similar feats to SSJ2 Gohan vs Dabura.

So thus, we have SSJ2 Teen Gohan = SSJ Z Sword Trunks.

But Dabra was destroying SSJ Trunks. SSJ2 Gohan >> SSJ Trunks.

From what I see Toyo probably has Z Sword Gohan/Trunks ~ Boo Saga Goku or Vegeta.

 

[Power Level Guy]

But Dabra was destroying SSJ Trunks.

When was Dabura destroying Trunks? Was he destroying Trunks when Trunks caught his sword and broke it in half?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

When was Dabura destroying Trunks? Was he destroying Trunks when Trunks caught his sword and broke it in half?

Trunks was all beaten up while Dabra didn’t have a scratch and was smiling. When Trunks transformed he still didn’t seriously damage Dabra and needed Kaioshin’s assistance to kill him.

 

[Power Level Guy]

Trunks was all beaten up while Dabra didn’t have a scratch and was smiling.

Trunks broke Dabura's sword. Future Dabura can be a bit stronger as well.

When Trunks transformed he still didn’t seriously damage Dabra and needed Kaioshin’s assistance to kill him.

You really think Future Dabura is SSJ2 Z Sword level?

 

[SSJ2]

No, the counter is that Z Sword SSJ = SSJ2 comes from a boss fight in DBZ: Kakarot. Surprised to see you even taking DBS into account.

I'm not taking it into account at all lol. I'm going by the original manga.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Trunks broke Dabura's sword. Future Dabura can be a bit stronger as well.

And Dabra kicked his ass.

You really think Future Dabura is SSJ2 Z Sword level?

That's what Toyotaro seems to imply. This is a fight where SSJ2 being a 2x boost would make a lot of sense.

SSJ Trunks: 1
Dabra: 1.5
SSJ2 Trunks: 2

I'm not taking it into account at all lol. I'm going by the original manga.

I don't get it. What in the manga says Z Sword SSJ Gohan = SSJ2 Gohan pre sword?

 

[SSJ2]

Nothing dawg. I’m agreeing with his overall placement of SSJ2 Gohan. If SSJ2 Gohan is close to Fat Boo, SSJ Gohan ends up just shy of the Boo arc SSJ2s with Super Saiyan using a 4x SSJ2 boost.

 

[Power Level Guy]

And Dabra kicked his ass.

Show me where he kicked his ass. Trunks stalemated him.

That's what Toyotaro seems to imply. This is a fight where SSJ2 being a 2x boost would make a lot of sense.

SSJ Trunks: 1
Dabra: 1.5
SSJ2 Trunks: 2

I can agree with that. Super definitely feels like it uses a 2x boost for SSJ2. Either way, my hypothesis is correct.

Future Dabura > Dabura ~ SSJ Z Sword Trunks/Gohan ~ SSJ2 Teen Gohan is how Toyo sees it.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Show me where he kicked his ass. Trunks stalemated him.


I can agree with that. Super definitely feels like it uses a 2x boost for SSJ2. Either way, my hypothesis is correct.

Future Dabura > Dabura ~ SSJ Z Sword Trunks/Gohan ~ SSJ2 Teen Gohan is how Toyo sees it.

Why is Trunks all bruised then? Dabra is clean and smiling as Trunks gets pushed back.

 

[ScottyFamalam]

Darbra was clean after SS2 Trunks's beatdown, too.

Lol @ citing Trashtaro

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Darbra was clean after SS2 Trunks's beatdown, too.

Lol @ citing Trashtaro

And?