Zoro and Sanji (CP9 arc) vs Rob Lucci

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No. Zoro is at best slightly ahead of Gear 2 Luffy at this point, don't see a reason for it to have changed drastically since Alabasta. Sanji is below that.
 

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@Zoro

What? Zoro slightly ahead of G2 Luffy? Gear 2 Luffy was already slightly ahead of Lucci.
 

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ahill1 said:
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What? Zoro slightly ahead of G2 Luffy? Gear 2 Luffy was already slightly ahead of Lucci.
I'm considering Asura if it can even be considered. He basically one shotted Kaku with it who is more than 50% of Base Lucci.

I also said at best. I think Zoro is between Base and Gear 2 Luffy.
 

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I think Zoro is around Gear 3rd Luffy and I think can hold his own against Dofla for a while, something that that Rob shouldn't be able to do.
 

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This is pre-skip Zoro though ^
 

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@Zoro

So why do you think Sanji and Zoro would lose?
 

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So why do you think Sanji and Zoro would lose?
Lucci has a Devil Fruit.
 

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@Zoro - even so, Gear Second Luffy was slightly ahead of leopard Lucci.
 

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Lucci claimed that he was off guard given that he had recently effortlessly defeated Luffy. He wasn't expecting Luffy to have the power that Gear 2 had. I'll still agree that Luffy had a small advantage, but not by much. Zoro would still be weaker, and Sanji is slightly below Zoro. I don't think they can get through Tekkai if tired Gear 2 Luffy was struggling to.
 

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@Zoro

I didn't say G2 Luffy was that stronger than Leopard Lucci, I only said slightly. Besides, Lucci was only caught off guard in the beggining. Even when he was already full aware of Luffy's strength he still struggled to keep up with his G2, getting hit by a jet pistol, had his shigan dodged then was hit by a jet bullet, by a twin pistol and was forced to use his strongest technique (Roku Ou Gun).

If you think Asura Zoro was at best slightly above freaking G2 Luffy, I don't see why you think a team between Sanji and Zoro could not take down Lucci.
 

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ahill1 said:
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I didn't say G2 Luffy was that stronger than Leopard Lucci, I only said slightly. Besides, Lucci was only caught off guard in the beggining. Even when he was already full aware of Luffy's strength he still struggled to keep up with his G2, getting hit by a jet pistol, had his shigan dodged then was hit by a jet bullet, by a twin pistol and was forced to use his strongest technique (Roku Ou Gun).

If you think Asura Zoro was at best slightly above freaking G2 Luffy, I don't see why you think a team between Sanji and Zoro could not take down Lucci.
@ahill1 Wot, isn't slightly stronger still stronger? Yes, I agree after a reread that G2 Luffy >= Lucci transformed. However I reconsider my placement of Zoro. Base Lucci has a Doriki of 4,000, and Kaku has a Doriki of 2,200. By scaling, Asura only needs to be about 3,000 to have defeated Kaku that easily, which is still below Base Lucci, let alone transformed Lucci.
 

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Zoro said:
This is pre-skip Zoro though ^
Oh yeah they should lose then although Asura should put up a really good fight. Hard to say how much Sanji will help.
 

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@Zoro

But wouldn't transformed Kaku be above 2,200?
 

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Ah, yes. That is true, but he'd still be well below tranformed Lucci.
 

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Zoro said:
Ah, yes. That is true, but he'd still be well below tranformed Lucci.

How strong would you have transformed Lucci? At 6,000 more or less?
 

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Yeah, seems good. Kaku would probably be like 4,500?
 

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Yeah, seems good. Kaku would probably be like 4,500?

So transformed Kaku would be above base Lucci? How do you think would Zoro fare against base Lucci?
 

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I think Zoro with Asura could break through his Tekkai, and kill him. Not so lcky against Leopard though.
 

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So could Asura Zoro kill base Lucci? What about normal Zoro vs base Lucci?

I feel Zoro should be considerably above base Luffy for now. I mean, wasn't Blueno doing well against base Luffy, so much the latter decided to use Gear Second?
 
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