SSJ2's Part 1 Battle Powers

[SSJ2]

Yeah, I got it even worse than you since I still keep the Z numbers in tact.

So I think I have Farmer at .0005 lol. It's that bad. Great Ape Fist = 10x Goku has assaulted my whole list. I'm still coping. Haha

Training Goku is scared to death of the T-Rex. Roshi probably has the feats to put him above it though.

True I forgot about the one in training. I guess it could be around Krillin-Goku's level without tail at the Budokai. Goku and Krillin were probably still scared of it by the end as they had no idea how much more powerful they had become.

 

[Power Level Guy]

I think I had them around 90-100 right around Krillens Budokai power. That’s like Ox King level. Can Ox King take out a T-Rex?

 

[SSJ2]

I feel like he can. Anyone who completed Roshi's training should be capable of it imo.

 

[Power Level Guy]

I feel like he can. Anyone who completed Roshi's training should be capable of it imo.

Sounds like a good qualifier. Look how Roshi runs too, he has no concern.

But I think Yamcha gets smoked.

Krillen > Big Dinosaurs > Yamcha?

 

[SSJ2]

Yes exactly. The 21st demonstrated that Yamcha wasn't close to being at the level of a Turtle school student.

 

[GSM123]

There is a feat. Chi chi vs Roshi and Chi Chi vs T-Rex.

Good catch. That’s a gag but I’m willing to use it.

Yeah, which is why I always disdagree with you about size and how it works. Size matters, except for a few special ones we happen to focus on

Yeah in this case it does matter. He’s big and heavy and that makes him strong.

Yeah and it was able to do some stuff to Goku. T-Rex is top dog, no bigger animal than it.

I don’t get it. You said “yes” to my question of Octopus > T-Rex then you defend the T-Rex is better? Which one is it?

 

[Power Level Guy]

I don’t get it. You said “yes” to my question of Octopus > T-Rex then you defend the T-Rex is better? Which one is it?

Ah, I was just replying "Yes" like, "Yes indeed, the octopus is a legit threat type of power."

T-Rex > Triceratops > Big Octopus ~ Shark perhaps

They were scared to death of that huge shark.

 

[SSJ2]

@Power Level Guy how strong do you think Roshi is at BoDB? Did he train to prepare for the Budokai or was he equal to his 21st self? You made a good point about the T-Rex that I saw, about how Roshi was never even close to being afraid of it. It feels like it should be lowered quite a bit.

 

[Power Level Guy]

He’s more ripped and muscular at Budokai

 

[SSJ2]

Plus it seemed like he was doing fuck all before then. Look at how weak and frail he looked at Frypan Mountain. I bet he made some gains from between then and the Budokai.

 

[Power Level Guy]

Plus it seemed like he was doing fuck all before then. Look at how weak and frail he looked at Frypan Mountain. I bet he made some gains from between then and the Budokai.

Yeah, it's tough because it kind of messes up my flow with the power levels. I had this issue.


Goku 50
Ox King 100
Roshi 150

I think that flows really good. The anime portrayal of Ox King was insane. He's a literal tank. I think he's closer to Roshi than he is to Goku. I could be convinced otherwise though.

So if I have Roshi at 150 at the Budokai, I'm stuck. I tried putting him at 125, but then Ox King is way too close to Roshi. So then I'm stuck either making Ox King 75, which I didn't really like, but might be totally fine, or making Ox King and Roshi too close.

And as for me, I'm pretty dead set on Oozaru Goku > Gohan so I have a severe limit here to what I can do.

I could make Roshi something like 140, but that doesn't flow as good.

It's totally possible he toughened up his body a little bit without affecting his ki at all.

There's definitely no suggestion Roshi had to power up at all, he's the god of martial arts, you know?

 

[SSJ2]

I’ve found something that may change your mind. When Roshi tells Goku/Krillin to move the rock, Goku was able to move it further than Roshi could prior to their training. Roshi knows he can’t move the massive rock so he doesn’t try. Then one month prior to the Budokai Goku/Krillin can move the massive rock, and Roshi ended up being on par with 21st Goku with tail. That implies he made some pretty big gains.

 

[Power Level Guy]

I’ve found something that may change your mind. When Roshi tells Goku/Krillin to move the rock, Goku was able to move it further than Roshi could prior to their training. Roshi knows he can’t move the massive rock so he doesn’t try. Then one month prior to the Budokai Goku/Krillin can move the massive rock, and Roshi ended up being on par with 21st Goku with tail. That implies he made some pretty big gains.

Sure. I mean, I gave him a whopping 3 fold increase. That's no ordinary increase, that's a major one.

 

[SSJ2]

Sure. I mean, I gave him a whopping 3 fold increase. That's no ordinary increase, that's a major one.

No I'm saying Roshi made gains. Roshi could barely move the small rock before the training.

 

[Power Level Guy]

And you think he can move a big rock now?

 

[SSJ2]

Well if he's on par with Goku who can move the rock...

 

[Power Level Guy]

Well if he's on par with Goku who can move the rock...

Goku pre training is already way stronger than Roshi at the Budokai.

The physical strength doesn’t match up with Ki power here, Roshi is physically really weak.

 

[SSJ2]

But they weren't using ki to amplify themselves physically this early into the series. Physical feats are about as direct of comparisons you can get.

 

[Power Level Guy]

But they weren't using ki to amplify themselves physically this early into the series. Physical feats are about as direct of comparisons you can get.

Yet that’s the implication nonetheless. That Roshi, although ki wise is far superior to Krillen, he’s far weaker than him physically.

 

[SSJ2]

That just seems like a wild implication. You're arguing that If BoDB Roshi and Krillin were in a wrestling match, Krillin would kick his ass?