SSJ2's Part 1 Battle Powers

[Power Level Guy]

That just seems like a wild implication. You're arguing that If BoDB Roshi and Krillin were in a wrestling match, Krillin would kick his ass?

Depends on the skill there too.

But in a weight lifting competition? Krillen smokes Roshi all day.

 

[Animelover5487]

Roshi's ki usage isn't that proficent where he can use it to increase his lifting strength. If it was then he wouldn't need a max powered form nor would he be incapable of flying, something even Videl picked up on in less than a week.

 

[GSM123]

Roshi being surpassed so soon is odd. It was a big deal when Goku surpassed Roshi post Karin and made him train for the next Budokai.

 

[SSJ2]

Roshi being surpassed so soon is odd. It was a big deal when Goku surpassed Roshi post Karin and made him train for the next Budokai.

I mean it's pretty clear that Roshi's power was never concrete early in DB. The fact that he went from being on par with 21st Goku to being relevant in the 22nd is evidence enough of this. Roshi was nowhere near his best at the start of the series.

 

[Kyo]

Makes sense, bro was spending all his time jerking it to instructional yoga videos until Goku showed up

 

[GSM123]

Mang couldn’t even get his hands on actual porn

 

[Power Level Guy]

Yeah, so running around with the kids probably got his body in better physical shape, but I don't think his ki was affected. It was just more some back to the basics type of training.

 

[SSJ2]

Yeah, so running around with the kids probably got his body in better physical shape, but I don't think his ki was affected. It was just more some back to the basics type of training.

Here's where you're losing me with your logic. Roshi clearly considers these physical feats to be of great importance. First he refuses to train Goku/Krillin actual moves until they can move the rock, in which he says that the basis of martial arts is forging your body for combat physically. Once the training is complete he tells Goku and Krillin to jump to test out their abilities. That physical feat was meant to show how much progress they made. Why is Roshi testing their physical skills if they are ahead of himself in this regard?

 

[Power Level Guy]

Here's where you're losing me with your logic. Roshi clearly considers these physical feats to be of great importance. First he refuses to train Goku/Krillin actual moves until they can move the rock, in which he says that the basis of martial arts is forging your body for combat physically. Once the training is complete he tells Goku and Krillin to jump to test out their abilities. That physical feat was meant to show how much progress they made. Why is Roshi testing their physical skills if they are ahead of himself in this regard?

Because it's true. Strength is typically a big determinant in one's ability. Roshi's situation is an outlier. He's an old man who sits on his ass all day and watches women's exercise videos. He's lost tons of his physical strength while holding onto a decent amount of ki power.

What's your alternative here? Are you suggesting that Roshi can move those big rocks? Why is he shocked and so afraid to match their feats of strength?

 

[SSJ2]

So if Roshi jumps prior to the Budokai he's not getting anywhere near Goku and Krillin?

 

[Power Level Guy]

So if Roshi jumps prior to the Budokai he's not getting anywhere near Goku and Krillin?

Well Roshi is much faster. So not sure how that works out. But Roshi is extremely weaker. Remember, it's not just Roshi is weaker than Krillen and Goku post-training, he's already weaker than Goku pre-training.

 

[SSJ2]

It’s just not sitting right with me. He’s weaker but is stalemating Goku physically. How does that make sense? He’s not amplifying his physical attacks with Ki at this stage of the series.

 

[Power Level Guy]

It’s just not sitting right with me. He’s weaker but is stalemating Goku physically. How does that make sense? He’s not amplifying his physical attacks with Ki at this stage of the series.

I didn’t write it, brother.

 

[ahill1]

Roshi was afraid of trying that big ass rock and failing, tho at night he he a it a try and could move it as well as Goku hehehe

 

[Power Level Guy]

Roshi was afraid of trying that big ass rock and failing, tho at night he he a it a try and could move it as well as Goku hehehe

Haha yeah exactly. That ain’t happening. Roshi is crapping his pants for a reason.

 

[ahill1]

Haha yeah exactly. That ain’t happening. Roshi is crapping his pants for a reason.

Crapping his pants at the unknown. He's gotta try when no one sees in the off chance he fails...

 

[Power Level Guy]

Sure but as it is it’s best to assume he definitely can’t do it

 

[GSM123]

Man this Roshi stuff just makes part 1 power levels whacky. These lists aren’t Ki-based (otherwise we’d be using the official numbers) but if they’re muscle-based then Goku and Kuririn > Roshi

Roshi was afraid of trying that big ass rock and failing, tho at night he he a it a try and could move it as well as Goku hehehe

That would easily one of those filler scenes everybody would treat as canon.

So if Roshi jumps prior to the Budokai he's not getting anywhere near Goku and Krillin?

Pushing rocks =/= jumping

 

[Power Level Guy]

No, these lists are ki-based @GreatSaiyaman123

The official numbers are contradicted by the story. This option prefers to believe the story opposed to the numbers. You can only pick one.

AT was a noob power scaler, he had no idea what a deep numerical world he was crafting.

But his numbers are absolutely
wrong for BoZ. Like 1,000% factually incorrect.

 

[SSJ2]

Added more levels. Not a huge fan of how tight so many people are between the 21st and mid RRA arc. Also feels weird to have Blue that far ahead of Krillin, but Roshi showing a lot of respect to Blue makes me think he has to be up there. Plus he’s used as the measuring stick for Tao Pai Pai.