Krillen vs Tien throughout the years

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Here’s what I’m think…

Namek

Krillen 250,000

Mecha Freeza

Krillen 500,000
Tien 375,000

Androids/Cell Games

Krillen 5,000,000
Tien 3,750,000

Buu Saga

Krillen 5,000,000
Tien 4,000,000

BoG

Krillen 5,000,000
Turn 4,200,000

ToP

Krillen 5,000,000
Tien 4,250,000

And is EoZ Krillen > Tien? Probably. How much of a power advantage do we need to build up in the Androids Saga to account for Krillen’s maintained superiority? Is Tien not progressing at all? What if Krillen is losing power which I’m sure he is eventually. How big is the gap between these two and is there anything I’m missing here?
 

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Freeza Saga
Krillin - 150,000
Tenshinhan - 80,000

Mecha Freeza Saga
Krillin - 150,000
Tenshinhan - 120,000

Androids Saga
Krillin - 6,000,000
Tenshinhan - 5,000,000

Buu Saga
Krillin - 6,000,000
Tenshinhan - 5,500,000

EOZ Saga
Krillin - 6,000,000
Tenshinhan - 6,000,000
 

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I mean, Ten has no solid feats to scale to after the Saiyan arc. Kuririn can be a hundred times stronger than Tenshinhan on Namek and it won't matter.
 

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I mean, Ten has no solid feats to scale to after the Saiyan arc. Kuririn can be a hundred times stronger than Tenshinhan on Namek and it won't matter.
I'd say the status quo implies the humans are somewhat in the same range. Why would that suddenly change?
 

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I'd say the status quo implies the humans are somewhat in the same range. Why would that suddenly change?
There is nothing directly stating or even implying that they are in the same range. They are all equally irrelevant during the Android arc and every preceeding arc. They don't scale to Super Saiyans, they don't scale to any androids, they don't scale to Freeza, they don't even scale to Base Saiyans, you can literally put them anywhere lol

I like Kuririn and Vegeta doesn't think he's hopeless against an estimated transformed Freeza so I would put him at 200k at his peak on Namek. Ginyu never tried to ambush Freeza with his body changing technique so I would think Kuririn would atleast finesse Ginyu for him to be helpful at all.

Now even going by the Ginyu Force filler (which is filler), Ten beats Burta and Jeice with his power split in half so he's at like 90k which still makes him less than half of Kuririn's power. Ten likely got stronger at Mecha Freeza but there is no indication by how much.
 

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There is nothing directly stating or even implying that they are in the same range. They are all equally irrelevant during the Android arc and every preceeding arc. They don't scale to Super Saiyans, they don't scale to any androids, they don't scale to Freeza, they don't even scale to Base Saiyans, you can literally put them anywhere lol
Well you missed one area, they do scale to Base Gohan/Weighted Piccolo general area.

Remember, Krillen + Tien + Gohan ~ Weighted Piccolo. That's a huge feat for them to be somewhat comparable to Piccolo and Base Gohan at this stage of the game.

Now even going by the Ginyu Force filler (which is filler), Ten beats Burta and Jeice with his power split in half so he's at like 90k which still makes him less than half of Kuririn's power. Ten likely got stronger at Mecha Freeza but there is no indication by how much.
Do you really think Krillen should be multi-folds above Tien though?
 

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Cell Arc doesn't allow Ten to be weaker than Krillin. Only ever evidence on Krillin's "favour"'s Yamcha's taken-out-of context declaration.

Cell Arc:
Ten: 4,500,000
Krillin: 3,750,000
 

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Cell Arc doesn't allow Ten to be weaker than Krillin. Only ever evidence on Krillin's "favour"'s Yamcha's taken-out-of context declaration.

Cell Arc:
Ten: 4,500,000
Krillin: 3,750,000
Krillen is stated to be the strongest human by AT in an interview later as well.
 

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Cell Arc doesn't allow Ten to be weaker than Krillin. Only ever evidence on Krillin's "favour"'s Yamcha's taken-out-of context declaration.

Cell Arc:
Ten: 4,500,000
Krillin: 3,750,000
How so? Ten has zero feats aside from stalling Semi with a technique that amplifies his strength to plot breaking levels, and even then, the Daizenshuu states the Kikoho is like a glorified Kiai.
 

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Krillin V Tien? I think krillin is stated to be the strongest.

Fire.
 

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Krillen is stated to be the strongest human by AT in an interview later as well.
Yes, Goku, Vegeta and Gohan are humans too. That's one problem.

How so? Ten has zero feats aside from stalling Semi with a technique that amplifies his strength to plot breaking levels, and even then, the Daizenshuu states the Kikoho is like a glorified Kiai.
Goku went saying Krillin to take care of Yamcha, which would mean he's relegated to be the weakest, Ten's alongside Goku and Piccolo. Ten have more tollerance of cold temperatures than Krillin, Dr Gero points out on Krillin on the fact he could do nothing, Krillin's always the one who's telling everyone to run, Ten went fighting 17 & 18. Ten have him saying he could endure Rosat, which would be pointless if that doesn't mean he's strongest human.

With this much, you surely can't make much sense of Ten being weaker than Krillin.
 

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Yes, Goku, Vegeta and Gohan are humans too. That's one problem.
They used the term Chikyuu-jin in the interview which means Earthling. Saiyans, androids aren't counted.
Goku went saying Krillin to take care of Yamcha, which would mean he's relegated to be the weakest, Ten's alongside Goku and Piccolo.
Because Kuririn was carrying the Senzus. Not to mention it's plain as day Ten would get oneshotted by the androids seeing as they were expected to be >> SSJ Future Trunks, so his irrelevancy remains regardless.
Ten have more tollerance of cold temperatures than Krillin,
Ten said he was freezing his ass off too, lol. That's reaching. Not to mention by this logic, Suno > Goku as she has more cold tolerance.
Dr Gero points out on Krillin on the fact he could do nothing,
Kuririn was the only one around at the time.
Krillin's always the one who's telling everyone to run, Ten went fighting 17 & 18.
Ten was so weak that 17 didnt even hit him and choked him out gently. Not to mention that Gohan's standing level of 981 >>> Chaozu in the Saiyan arc, yet Chaozu was the one brave enough to challenge Nappa while Gohan was scared shitless and missed a vital opportunity to attack him. Is Chaozu > Gohan?
Ten have him saying he could endure Rosat, which would be pointless if that doesn't mean he's strongest human.
Scan for this? Goku suggested he use the Rosat and Ten turned it down right away as he'd be more useless than tits on a bull. Not to mention Kuririn wasn't around when Goku was talking to Ten at the time iirc.
With this much, you surely can't make much sense of Ten being weaker than Krillin.
Sure we can. AT's interview statement >> a bunch of easily refuted speculation.
 

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They used the term Chikyuu-jin in the interview which means Earthling. Saiyans, androids aren't counted.
This's actually reaching, Gohan's part Earthling too. Goku refers of himself as human:

Goku: “No…I’m no longer a human who’s particularly even supposed to be here…I shouldn’t be the one to do it. It’d be better for these young guys to solve things somehow or another…After all, some other outrageous guy might show up eventually, right? …It's a nasty gamble, but…Seeing those two super-gifted squirts, it made me want to take this gamble…”

Chapter: 503 (DBZ 309), P9.2
Context: as Goku heads to Vegeta with the Potara
Boo: “Now there’s another human with great power! But naturally he’s no match for me, even if they merged"

Vegeta also went saying Earthlings to take responsability when making the Genkidama on a group, which includes Gohan and Piccolo, unless you'd think they won't contribute. Us arbitrarily deciding what he counts or not count has no bearing on story.
Because Kuririn was carrying the Senzus. Not to mention it's plain as day Ten would get oneshotted by the androids seeing as they were expected to be >> SSJ Future Trunks, so his irrelevancy remains regardless.
Yes, because he's the one less capable, the one who's medicaster, the one less apt on fighting. Not mentioning Yamcha even said to Gohan and Krillin of how strong those foes were, Yamcha and Krillin are rellegated with Gohan while Ten's with Goku and Piccolo, not much of thinking about it from rational fan lenses.
Ten said he was freezing his ass off too, lol. That's reaching. Not to mention by this logic, Suno > Goku as she has more cold tolerance.
Yes, but Krillin was beginng for money. You could also tell that between different species have their ways of tolerating temperature different than others.

If Piccolo have tolerance for cold temperatures and was complaining for how practical humans were, who are we to say how works or if it doesn't work for power levels?
Kuririn was the only one around at the time.
Yes, and he signaling precisely at him, shows how non-threating he was in relation of others. The pattern repeated with how Krillin asked everyone to run away when 17 & 18 were discussing with Gero, while Vegeta said he's the most prepared for the situation, non-ironically, Vegeta's strongest on the group.
Ten was so weak that 17 didnt even hit him and choked him out gently.
Ten went outlasting SSJ Trunks, of course he's not stronger than Trunks, but still strong enough to resist enough time so Piccolo and Vegeta could come on aid. Krillin doesn't have anything similar to that, sorry.

This without mentioning during the mini Cells fight, Ten have one knee lifted unlike Yamcha, Krillin or tired Goku. And Goku mentioning how strong mini Cells were in spite of their size.
Not to mention that Gohan's standing level of 981 >>> Chaozu in the Saiyan arc, yet Chaozu was the one brave enough to challenge Nappa while Gohan was scared shitless and missed a vital opportunity to attack him. Is Chaozu > Gohan?
Gohan is one scared kid who doesn't thought of him much other than his high potential, this is a repeated pattern from his persona since Saiyan ~ Cell saga.
Scan for this? Goku suggested he use the Rosat and Ten turned it down right away as he'd be more useless than tits on a bull. Not to mention Kuririn wasn't around when Goku was talking to Ten at the time iirc.
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Yes, but we understand easier how Krillin would be useless too, more useless than them. Otherwise, we would have Krillin saying it or even being there among big dudes.
Sure we can. AT's interview statement >> a bunch of easily refuted speculation.
Akira Toriyama's word only works when he clarifies something stated on the series or acknowledge it, even then, literature-wise he's not one who have authority to decide over the material when he have scripted their rules and logics on said matter.
 

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Yes, Goku, Vegeta and Gohan are humans too. That's one problem.
When Yamcha corrects himself when he says the strongest human, what was the purpose of that correction?
Goku went saying Krillin to take care of Yamcha, which would mean he's relegated to be the weakest,
This is speculation, not fact.


Krillin's always the one who's telling everyone to run, Ten went fighting 17 & 18.
Krillen’s cowardice is irrelevant to his power level in this instance. Yajirobe is super strong yet is a huge coward as well.
 

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Ten's fighting mini Cell while Krillin gets slapped
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Ten's among big 4 w/Vegeta, Trunks and Piccolo.
 

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You know Yamcha was standing too right?

All of the humans were unconscious when Gohan transformed.
Yes, but doesn't last much. Yamcha w/Krillin and tired Goku gets on the floor. Ten's conscious given he have one knee lifted.
Tenshinhan is also an earthling.
So are Gohan, Androids, etc. Krillin ain't stronger than the cast of Earthlings.
 

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