Old PD vs Young PD

[Power Level Guy]

How much stronger should Piccolo be after he gets his youth restored? Let's see some statements.

 

[Papasmurf]

Well I feel like the actual God Water that Goku swallowed in this arc should yield a bigger boost than the training he underwent with Karin 3 years prior. But PD's boost from rejuvenation is far less than the former boost. I take the middle ground and say the boost from the water was 12x, Karin's training was 3x and PD's rejuvenation boost was around 6-7x.

 

[Warmmedown]

Old PD=prison

Young PD=legal

Oh I thought this was P Diddy

Goku goes from being able to land on him to not? That right?

 

[Power Level Guy]

Well I feel like the actual God Water that Goku swallowed in this arc should yield a bigger boost than the training he underwent with Karin 3 years prior. But PD's boost from rejuvenation is far less than the former boost. I take the middle ground and say the boost from the water was 12x, Karin's training was 3x and PD's rejuvenation boost was around 6-7x.

Don't you think Goku should just get a straight up 10x boost? The key issue I feel is applying that 10x boost to Zenkai Goku but figured out what that zenkai is tough.

 

[Hector]

Don't you think Goku should just get a straight up 10x boost? The key issue I feel is applying that 10x boost to Zenkai Goku but figured out what that zenkai is tough.

How's this?

Goku (pre water) - 100
Old Piccolo (less than half) - 225
Old Piccolo (full power) - 500
Young Piccolo (initial) - 750
Young Piccolo (full power) - 1,000
Goku (post water) - 1,000

 

[Power Level Guy]

Goku (pre water) - 100
Old Piccolo (less than half) - 225
Old Piccolo (full power) - 500
Young Piccolo (initial) - 750
Young Piccolo (full power) - 1,000
Goku (post water) - 1,000

I think that looks great!

 

[Papasmurf]

Don't you think Goku should just get a straight up 10x boost? The key issue I feel is applying that 10x boost to Zenkai Goku but figured out what that zenkai is tough.

Well Karin said Goku got multiple times stronger from training with him for 3 days, so that has to be above a 2x boost hence it is a 3x boost. I also feel like Daimao's boost from antiaging should be at least significantly greater than that, and Goku's boost should be close to 2x that given Daimao wasn't even at half power when he stomped him while old. Only reason why Goku's boost is less than 2x Daimao's rejuvenation boost is because he would've gotten a zenkai after the old Daimao stomping.

 

[GSM123]

How's this?

Goku (pre water) - 100
Old Piccolo (less than half) - 225
Old Piccolo (full power) - 500
Young Piccolo (initial) - 750
Young Piccolo (full power) - 1,000
Goku (post water) - 1,000

A while ago me and @Power Level Guy were debating about how the gap between Young Piccolo’s initial power and full power might be quite large.

Spoiler

If not for Goku having more power in reserve, he might have died right there.

 

[Power Level Guy]

Well Karin said Goku got multiple times stronger from training with him for 3 days, so that has to be above a 2x boost hence it is a 3x boost.

Multiple times stronger can be a 2x increase in ki. Kaio says the same thing about Kaioken and we know he never intended for Goku to go beyond 2x.

I also feel like Daimao's boost from antiaging should be at least significantly greater than that, and Goku's boost should be close to 2x that given Daimao wasn't even at half power when he stomped him while old. Only reason why Goku's boost is less than 2x Daimao's rejuvenation boost is because he would've gotten a zenkai after the old Daimao stomping.

The issue is Zenkai Goku (Post PD) can’t be above 40% Piccolo. Goku’s Zenkai can’t be life changing he’s still nothing to a suppressed version of Piccolo.

And Goku only gains 10x his Zenkai power, at most his initial state gains 10x.

 

[Papasmurf]

Multiple times stronger can be a 2x increase in ki. Kaio says the same thing about Kaioken and we know he never intended for Goku to go beyond 2x.

Every time "multiple times" is stated in canon, it's meant a multiple of over 2x, such as Piccolo's Nail fusion boost.

The issue is Zenkai Goku (Post PD) can’t be above 40% Piccolo. Goku’s Zenkai can’t be life changing he’s still nothing to a suppressed version of Piccolo.

That's never stated. If Nail got a good grasp of 1st form Freeza's power from being stomped by a fraction of it, so too should Goku after Daimao literally told him his FP was over 2x the power he used.

And Goku only gains 10x his Zenkai power, at most his initial state gains 10x.

Conjecture

 

[Power Level Guy]

Every time "multiple times" is stated in canon, it's meant a multiple of over 2x, such as Piccolo's Nail fusion boost.

Not with Kaioken. And definitely not with Toriyama’s scouter levels.

Cymbal seems far closer to Tambourine than many times stronger indicates.

That's never stated. If Nail got a good grasp of 1st form Freeza's power from being stomped by a fraction of it, so too should Goku after Daimao literally told him his FP was over 2x the power he used.

I don’t understand what we are debating. I’m saying Goku Zenkai like at Korin’s tower pre Super Sacred Water.

Conjecture

No what you are saying is literally conjecture. I’m saying the Oozaru montage is what it is suggested to be.

 

[GSM123]

I don’t understand what we are debating. I’m saying Goku Zenkai like at Korin’s tower pre Super Sacred Water.

I think he meant post old PD. Goku saying he’s still weaker than Piccolo doesn’t mean he’s below 40% because he knows it was just 40%.

 

[Power Level Guy]

I think he meant post old PD. Goku saying he’s still weaker than Piccolo doesn’t mean he’s below 40% because he knows it was just 40%.

You think Goku’s not getting smacked if they run it back?

 

[GSM123]

You think Goku’s not getting smacked if they run it back?

Of course he does, but would it ruin the story to say Piccolo would have to try a bit harder?