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@ahill1 If you're referring to distance being irrelevant, then agreed. Kinda disappointed that you decided not to expand on the Tien stuff that you brought up earlier. Could've been an interesting back and forth, but if you're not up for it, then that's your choice.

The first encounter ought to be a disastrous memory in Vegeta's mind. His world view was essentially flipped on its head, and he ultimately failed to get the job done despite trying everything in his arsenal. Goku got help, yes, but Goku himself was viewed as a lowly person by him, so vastly...

It appears that the issue here is that you've got expectations that we have no reason to believe Toriyama would strictly abide by or care about. It's also worth noting that your view, in and of itself, contains leeway for a different interpretation; for example, that the placement of the DB Moon...

You've yet to explain the correlation that drives that train of thought. How does distance link to composition?

@Super Saiyan On top of what the others said, even if you believe that the destination time differs, that doesn't speak volumes about the internal properties of the DB Moon, which your question related to. @ahill1 Let's dig into what you said earlier about Tien. Is your premise that Tien's...

Well the standard conclusion would be that there's no difference unless we're given a reason to contemplate or consider otherwise. The viewpoint that requires the least assumptions is what's ideal.

Contextually, Roshi doing any further damage would've been completely unnecessary. Besides, an increase being astronomical doesn't make it any less real; why should your subjective limitation to a character's capability take precedence over visual evidence?

This is the default position since he obliterated the damn thing. King Piccolo and Goku (KP Saga) would be in this tier at bare minimum since they scale beyond him. For those that don't take the feat seriously, or just want to play devil's advocate, let's discuss it.

Going off of how GT narratively starts, and its occasional showings of past scenes, it seems to just follow on from Z. Scaling-wise, we know Base Goku could swap hands with someone that is more impressive than Majin Buu altogether. We also see that same Goku clown on opponents (Baby Gohan &...

I only brought it up because ahill got confused by thinking Goten's ki would be lacking, which it wouldn't. Now he knows what to reference if necessary. They both seemed to have good stamina from what we saw when they were truly tested. Goku may get hungry, but even then, he was able to fight...

@ahill1 Equal conditions just means they will have the same power and speed for the match. Outside of that, they'll have the same capabilities as the versions chosen, so Goten's flying ability still corresponds to what we saw from the Trunks fight. In terms of energy reserves, just think of...

If anything, Buu is unhinged, and that's reflected by his chaotic fighting style which happens to work well for him anyway. The factor of his ki never dropping, along with the plot point of Goku not anticipating the strain of SSJ3 in an alive body, is what screwed Goku over in terms of the 1 on...

Zamasu. The issue was that he was much slower. Being a tank means next to nothing if you can't keep up. He also didn't seem too stable mentally; fighting on emotion as Gowasu pointed out.

It's also in-character for Goten to take to the skies when faced with some adversity on the feet. He's no slouch on the ground either. Don't see a clear path of victory for Goku.

@Animelover5487 Goten from his fight with Trunks. And Goku from his fight with Roshi.

If they were to fight at equal conditions in a tournament setting, who would you consider the favourite, percentage wise?

Frieza Saga. The storyline as a whole was well coordinated and intertwined, and allowed Saiyan lore to come full circle. Even so, I'm fine with how things turned out overall. I think that some thematically interesting ideas can be plucked from each later arc as well. For instance, the theme of...

Earth-wise, Vegeta ought to be the baseline, given that it'd take his strongest move to get it done. Planet Vegeta-wise, Vegeta (vs Frieza) is a good candidate.

A character like Hirudegarn would be difficult to get past without being vastly stronger or having a haxed finishing move, and it's doubtful that Vegeta is even his equal. Hirudegarn squashes.

If a random low-class Saiyan had a life that corresponded to that of Goku (i.e. same masters, rivals, friends, journey and mindset) up to the Vegeta fight (if they make it that far), how powerful would they be compared to Goku?