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SSB Goku and SSB Vegeta - initial power levels from the Zamasu saga Hit - Time-Skip allowed Android 17 and Golden Frieza - ToP incarnations for both. No stamina drain for Frieza and Android 17 has his usual unlimited stamina. If Hit's time skip is the only deciding factor here, go ahead and...

How far would they go if they were to face each opponent individually? Recoome Burter Jeice Ginyu (Namek) First Form Frieza (Namek) Second Form Frieza (Namek) Third Form Frieza (Namek) Final Form Frieza (Namek) Final Form Frieza 50% (Namek) Final Form Frieza 100% (Namek) Imperfect Cell...

Although I'm pretty big on discussions pertaining to hypothetical versus and power scaling in general, I'm not one to call something out as bad writing over something as trivial as mild inconsistencies in power, feats, or anything else that may defy what was previously established at one point...

While Android 17's blast wasn't quite able to overcome Toppo's in an all out beam struggle, it inflicted an immense amount of damage on the Pride Trooper. And although Frieza did have a role in this, it seemed pretty apparent that Android 17's blast was what caused most of the damage. This is...

I would say Future Zamasu takes this, seeing as how he was able to tangle with SSB Goku and SSB Vegeta, both of whom were likely far stronger than the time they faced off against Frieza. I'm even inclined to place Future Zamasu on par with Golden Frieza (RoF) prior to tiring out. SSB Goku / SSB...

While little is known about Android 18's power, I feel she has a few feats that potentially puts her on par with Base Goku / Vegeta (ToP). Some of these feats even suggest that her power may actually sit a few tiers above the duo's base forms and is perhaps somewhere between base and Super...

@Spiral-Force I guess my only doubt regarding the multiplier reduction is that such a change taking place was never actually stated. The best we have is that battle between Goku and Rild; and even that is shrouded with ambiguity, as far as actual numbers go. I brought up the fact that Goku...

In my opinion, Android 17 would wreck both SSB Goku and SSB Vegeta (Universe 6 tournament) quite easily. 17 performed rather decently against Base Toppo, a fighter that was implied to be on par with some unspecified level of SSB Goku's Kaioken. On the very low end, I feel that would put Base...

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Piccolo presumably conquered a place that Rild, Frieza, and Cell called home; all three were likely several tiers stronger than Buuhan (Kid Buu if GT follows the anime). Although Nappa and his newly befriended Red Ribbon Army comrades were the first to confront Piccolo, we could deduce that...

Hi, first time posting here. Looking forward to participating in some insightful discussions; from character development to power level progression, I'm into it all.