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Yeah, honestly, without Super's influence, this would have been much easier. We wouldn't be so concerned about making them relevant to CG powers. We usually do that anyway, because of the sparring, but if we actually take this Base > Kaioshin > Piccolo > Boys stuff seriously, then it forces the...

For Cui and Vegeta yeah

It looks really good that’s a great start

You are taking a subjective quote and turning it into the objective, while tossing out the objective evidence. This can't be the best approach. Piccolo must be limited by the boys respectability. Obviously the gap will still be huge, but we have a duty to minimize this gap not enlarge it for an...

Yeah, I just made this point as well in his thread. We think alike my friend. Piccolo has to get shortchanged, there is no other way.

Glad to see you aboard the Base > Freeza side. Interesting angle that you took with Vegeta > Kid Gohan. There should factually be a limit on Piccolo's power. He's trash to Kaioshin and the Base Adults, but the kids power is somewhat respectable. So I don't think you can make Piccolo too too...

I’m sure we’d love to make Piccolo Super Vegeta level, but I don’t know. That whole semi cell is unnatural should be telling I’d say. It’s likely he isn’t even past Android 16 sadly.

Show us.

It seems like AT changed his mind. Why would there be different multipliers for the kids?

Why wouldn't Gohan stomp Pui Pui?

Nah, Piccolo is garbage. We are talking Buu Saga here. This is a Buu Saga only discussion really. And Super as well. Everything in the Buu Saga on suggests that Piccolo is straight trash. The boys are only around 18's power yet are seen as a respectable power so there's limits here. Goku...

Why?

Sure, but the idea that Pui Pui would threaten Gohan seems absurd. They are all super confident, I think Gohan washes Pui Pui. At least a 1.33x advantage.

Look at Gohans face when Beheta faces Pui Pui

Vegeta probably isn’t going all out. Gohan seems too cool to be threatened at all by Pui Pui. Gohan should easily handle Pui Pui

Sure but the point I’m making is the space between 18 and Piccolo can be quite large. That’s what I want to do, start a list working backwards from the Buu Saga and let’s see what happens 1.5x minimum AT messed up it should be 1.5x min

Well that's good enough then for me. Let's discuss some numbers. I think we need to have the Base Boys get a significant increase post ROSAT to make some of these implications work. How strong do you have Piccolo? less than Super Vegeta?

What position have you changed on now @GreatSaiyaman123 Just read your post on that page @Goku9001 , great stuff. So where do we go from here? Is there an angle you would like to be progressed? I think the full acceptance of the kids power being massively inferior to the adults, should be the...

@Goku9001 I’d like to advance the discussion. They don’t have to agree. Where do we go next? I think I’ve been able to close the gap on CG Vegeta and Teen Gohan with several big steps. It’s still not close but I’ve made it much closer now.

The 2nd fighter shouldn’t be all too different than Pui Pui. And Kaioshin needs the help of the Saiyans to fight Badibis warriors and is not certain about victory despite not knowing about Yakon and Dabura. The Pui Puis of the world can give Kaioshin and the Saiyans a run for their money...