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Here's how it all starts out. 1. Base Saiyans > Piccolo > Android 18 The Saiyans make several statements suggesting that they can win the tournament in their normal forms, despite Piccolo and Android 18's participation. They seem to only be focused on each other being possible winners at the...

So in an effort to determine something I brought up in Kyo's thread, let's explore this further. Freeza increases his speed against Vegeta and then seems to be forced to go all out against the Final Burst Cannon. Vegeta is shocked at Freeza's power. Then we see Goku easily blocking Freeza's...

Alright, I have my Freeza to Buu Saga numbers all complete except for this one area. I've made some major adjustments to how strong the Buu Saga Base Saiyans are, so now I have so much room for this saga I'm unsure of what to do with it. We've always had to squeeze things to try to make the...

I'm finally done. This hit everything I want... It's a huge increase of numbers from before, but that's what happens when you really take those Buu Saga Base Saiyans powers seriously. The only ones I didn't take seriously is the Base Gotenks situation, opting for GSM's explanation. I think...

How does this go?

Piccolo (W/o Weights) 2,500,000,000 Android 17 2,500,000,000 Android 18 2,250,000,000 Piccolo (W/Weights) 2,200,000,000 Imperfect Cell Post...

Piccolo (Initial) 220 Piccolo (Post Drain) 210 Piccolo (Post Regen) 200 Cell (Post Absorption) 185 Cell 175 Vegeta...

Let's see how bad it looks. Without looking at the numbers, I love the Base Post > Ssj Pre > Base Pre > Majin Vegeta chain, let's keep the 50x boost and see what happens, numbers be damned... Majin Vegeta 100 Base Gotenks 160 Super Saiyan 3 Goku...

Is it possible that Base Goku = Warm up Ssj Goku? Could it be that massive of a gap? Piccolo could then be quite powerful I'd say, easily eclipsing many characters. Is it possible the boys are just so severely weak compared to the adults, that they did a massive power up which got them to Cell...

Alright, let's do power levels, start to finish completely from scratch no scouters. Let's see how this goes. Farmer 5 Mr. Satan 6.66 Videl 7 Videl (Post Training) 8 Pterodactyl 20 Bear Bandit 25 Krillen 30 Orin Temple Bullies 40 Yamcha 45 Goku 50 Yamcha Wolf Fang Fist 52.5 Yamcha 21st 60...

I usually have him at 5x the farmer. But honestly, this bear is freaking huge, shouldn’t he be 10x? Usually I like to keep Goku 10x the strength of an average man, but this bear has got to be insanely powerful. He’s like 25 feet tall and is huge.

Wouldn't the best option be to assume the kids have gotten stronger in Super to now match the Cell Jr power instead of the reverse? Shouldn't their power have increased and now their base power surpasses Piccolo? Or does that not work either?

Why can't this be? Is it possible that Vegeta and Goku have surpassed Gohan by so much they have surpassed his Super Saiyan 2 power with just their Super Saiyan power alone? Wouldn't this approach have the least amount of consistency in regard to how the statements work?

Goku 150 Vegeta 90 Gohan 60 Pui Pui 45 Expected Saiyans 30 Kaioshin 25...

If someone loses 10% of their ki, how much of their power do they retain? If someone senses a ki user's full ki, is it their full power? Can ki user's access power greater than their ki?

Gohan is terrified of Buu's initial power, yet Vegeta thinks it's a joke. Gohan also thinks that Buu isn't all that terrible of a threat, if he could unleash his full power. Do you guys feel like Majin Vegeta, even as exhausted as he is, which by calculations should be Majin Vegeta - Ssj2 Gohan...

Buu Saga Goku 100 Vegeta 80 Kid Gohan 75 Teen Gohan 60 Pui Pui 50 Expected Saiyans 35 Kaioshin...

I think Dagon had links to get complete scans for the manga. I want the Japanese scans too where can I get this. PM please.

I used to think this would go to Post Absorption Cell, but the more I think about it, that doesn't make sense. In a few days, Cell is able to gain that power, shouldn't Future Cell, who has ample time, be able to match it at least? Sure, most of the humans are dead, but certainly a few hundred...

Vegeta's comment to 17 before heading out to ToP should seal the deal on this. The source material indicates that Kid Trunks pre-ToP is as strong as Future Trunks is as the CG. We also have no indications that the boys have lost any power. What's more likely seems to be that they have maintained...