10x Boost

[FeatsofPower]

The 10x boost for Super Saiyan is our only chance to make any of the Buu Saga implications work. The saga was clearly written with the idea that Super Saiyan is a 10x boost in mind, whenever we go against it, things become extremely difficult to deal with.

Super Saiyan 3 equals or rivals the Super Saiyan boost.

Base Gotenks power seems to prove this.

 

[Animelover5487]

So Base Goten/Trunks are many times stronger than #18?

 

[HermitTurtleZ]

Super Saiyan being a 10x boost is...interesting. I'm new to this idea.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

SSJ Gotenks >>>> SSJ3 Goku or Base Gotenks Pre being trash are better alternatives.

 

[FeatsofPower]

So Base Goten/Trunks are many times stronger than #18?

Perhaps. We have a really tough situation with that.

 

[Animelover5487]

Perhaps. We have a really tough situation with that.

Maybe 18 got a lot stronger. If 17's DBS gains are anything to go off, androids seem to make big gains when they train and 18 did train with Kuririn before the tournament.

 

[FeatsofPower]

Maybe 18 got a lot stronger. If 17's DBS gains are anything to go off, androids seem to make big gains when they train and 18 did train with Kuririn before the tournament.

Yeah, I've been considering that option as well. It might be our best bet.

 

[SSJ2]

SSJ Gotenks >>>> SSJ3 Goku or Base Gotenks Pre being trash are better alternatives.

Nobody calls Base Gotenks trash, and nobody claims that SSJ Gotenks is leaps and bounds ahead of Goku.

 

[FeatsofPower]

Nobody calls Base Gotenks trash, and nobody claims that SSJ Gotenks is leaps and bounds ahead of Goku.

Yeah

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Nobody calls Base Gotenks trash, and nobody claims that SSJ Gotenks is leaps and bounds ahead of Goku.

Where is it stated the SSJ boost got smaller?

 

[SSJ2]

Why does it need to be explicitly stated? The SSJ boost was never stated to be 50x within the manga but we were able to deduce as much through logic.

 

[Spiral-Force]

The idea that it reduced seems to enter subjective territory. People can believe whatever they want, but an official source ought to outweigh what you feel is an implication.

Dragon Ball is a fairly simplistic story, and appears to not always have perfect logic (how shocking...). Best to build a base around what we've been given, whenever possible.

 

[FeatsofPower]

AT said he thought about it as 10x, so perhaps Goku's Base rose when he got healed on Namek

 

[Spiral-Force]

Him thinking that in a particular moment isn't the same as establishing it as a hard rule. I've yet to see anything that firmly stands in the way of the boost being 50x. And there seems to be enough wiggle room in the way Gotenks' power is interpreted for it to not outright change things.

 

[Hector]

The 10x boost for Super Saiyan is our only chance to make any of the Buu Saga implications work. The saga was clearly written with the idea that Super Saiyan is a 10x boost in mind, whenever we go against it, things become extremely difficult to deal with.

Super Saiyan 3 equals or rivals the Super Saiyan boost.

Base Gotenks power seems to prove this.

What about the two-base theory someone proposed a while ago?

 

[FeatsofPower]

Him thinking that in a particular moment isn't the same as establishing it as a hard rule. I've yet to see anything that firmly stands in the way of the boost being 50x. And there seems to be enough wiggle room in the way Gotenks' power is interpreted for it to not outright change things.

Gero's implications prove Super Saiyan isn't 50x

 

[FeatsofPower]

What about the two-base theory someone proposed a while ago?

Yeah that was me, I think I'm going back to it.

 

[Spiral-Force]

Gero's implications prove Super Saiyan isn't 50x

Implications =/= proof, so that premise is already shaky.

We can still discuss it if you're down. So what implications go against 50x?

 

[FeatsofPower]

Implications =/= proof, so that premise is already shaky.

We can still discuss it if you're down. So what implications go against 50x?

Sure, but evidence leads to a conclusion.

Dr. Gero's implications on how the humans and Piccolo's power would upgrade him make 50x a numerical impossibility.

1. Yamcha is a good source of power.

If someone only boosts you up less than half a percent, I doubt they'd say this.

2. Absorbing Piccolo, Gohan, Krillen, and Tien would allow for Dr. Gero to defeat Vegeta. This is impossible unless the humans are giving Gero a sizable boost. THe humans are below the Saiyans, so if a 50x boost was in play, it would cause major issues trying to make the humans relevant.

Numerically speaking, a 50x boost is impossible.

 

[Animelover5487]

Sure, but evidence leads to a conclusion.

Dr. Gero's implications on how the humans and Piccolo's power would upgrade him make 50x a numerical impossibility.

1. Yamcha is a good source of power.

If someone only boosts you up less than half a percent, I doubt they'd say this.

2. Absorbing Piccolo, Gohan, Krillen, and Tien would allow for Dr. Gero to defeat Vegeta. This is impossible unless the humans are giving Gero a sizable boost. THe humans are below the Saiyans, so if a 50x boost was in play, it would cause major issues trying to make the humans relevant.

Numerically speaking, a 50x boost is impossible.

Maybe Gero's absorptions boosts aren't linear/numerical based. Cell not only closed the gap between him and Kamiccolo but multiplied it by just absorbing hundreds of ordinary humans, and he got a lot more of a boost from absorbing 18 than 17 despite 17 eing stronger.