19 Post vs 20 Pre

[p123]

Who wins?

 

[xmysticgohanx]

20 pre

 

[Pyro]

I'm starting to agree with #19 (post).

 

[p123]

Well it makes sense. Gero seems a little jealous of 19's newfound power. Why else call him greedy?

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Considering the multifold gap between 19 post and SSJ Vegeta, i go with 20 pre.

 

[Pyro]

Multifold gap? I highly doubt it was that big, and only should've gotten smaller as they wore each other down.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Multifold gap? I highly doubt it was that big, and only should've gotten smaller as they wore each other down.

Vegeta>> Vegeta (drained)>> Nineteen (post Vegeta)>> Nineteen (post Goku)

 

[p123]

There is no multi fold gap, that's nonsense. 19 clearly took enough damage to lower his overall power. Plus, absorption is not a direct 1 to 1 ratio.

 

[Pyro]

Multifold gap? I highly doubt it was that big, and only should've gotten smaller as they wore each other down.

Vegeta>> Vegeta (drained)>> Nineteen (post Vegeta)>> Nineteen (post Goku)

Yeah, like Pboy said, you're neglecting the damage #19 took from Vegeta. If he took damage from Goku's beating, there's no way in hell he didn't take any from Vegeta's.

 

[p123]

Ah, another thing I've thought of...

Sick Goku vs 19/20. I bet you Goku can probably handle them both at the same time. It would be a battle, but I think Gero's face says it all. He's superior to 19, but he's a blowhard like Vegeta and 17. Trunks and 18 are right there with them, yet they act like they are ridiculously superior.

I think 19/20 fall in the same category.

 

[ahill1]

I have #19 surpassing #20 post absorptions, but they are still on the same level, enough for #20 to put up a good fight. #20 even makes a case of saying he will take care of the other four (and therefore absorbing their energy), which might show #19 is already puliing out a bit ahead and Gero shouldn't be doing nothing.

I still have them close though, as it seems #20 didn't gain much power from absorbing Vegeta's blast and suppressed Piccolo's power and yet should be on top again after it.

 

[p123]

I think 20 is talking trash like Vegeta does about Trunks and 17 does about 18. Sure, they are superior, but not really bragging rights superior. 20 is jealous and calling 19 greedy, clearly has an issue with 19 being stronger than himself.

Smart money says that Sick Goku can probably take out both 19 and 20 at the same time.


Super Saiyan Goku 500
Android 20 (Post Absorption) 500
Android 19 (Post Absorption) 450
Super Saiyan Goku (Post KHH) 400
Android 20 400
Android 19 375

How do those fancy you?

 

[ahill1]

Sick Goku is still likely above 19 post, right?

 

[p123]

Android Saga

Android 19 375
~Post Absorption 450

Android 20 400
~ Post Absorption 550

Piccolo (Suppressed)
~ Full Power 650

Trunks
~ Super Saiyan 700

Goku
~ Super Saiyan (Post KHH) 400
~ Super Saiyan (Sick) 500
~ Super Saiyan (Healthy) 725

Vegeta
~Super Saiyan (Post Drain) 300
~ Super Saiyan (Full Power) 750


Trying this out now.

 

[ahill1]

One thing that doesn't look right: You have #19 pre at 93% of #20 pre and #19 post at 81% of #20 post. The gap should have definitely be smaller post absorptions, as #19 greatly increased his power after absorbing the KMHMH, while #20's absorptions didn't seem nearly that effective.

 

[p123]

Could be the case. It's tough to tell though. 20 seemed pretty optimistic about his chances should he be able to absorb more power. Vegeta got surprised by his speed and he was pissed that he let 20 absorb that as well. Then, the thought of Piccolo getting absorbed again did cause Vegeta to calculate a bit about what would happen to himself. He laughs it off, but it gave him pause.

I think Gero is getting up there a bit on Vegeta, 70% or so, whereas I think 19 is 60% or so.

I kind of think this is how it should be now...

20 Post > Ssj Goku > 19 Post

Feels right to me.

 

[ahill1]

Vegeta doesn't really seem to care about #20 absorbing more of Piccolo's power. He is just like "well if you want to die fine, but won't you be just giving him more power?" while laughing. Do you think if 20 absorbed this same amount of suppressed Piccolo he would be up there with Vegeta?

 

[p123]

True, but why the serious face. We don't know how long that thought takes, but why even take the thought in the first place? I'm not saying what the actual numbers definitively are, but I do feel this makes sense...

Piccolo > 20 Post > Sick Goku > 19 Post >Sick Goku Post KHH ~ 20 Pre? > 19 Pre

Any debates on that? Also, I think Goku could probably take out Gero and 19 at the same time if he had to. If they had bodies made of flesh and blood that is.