21st Tenkaichi-Budokai Fill-Out

[Fantastische Hure]

(Android #8 -)
(Mummy-kun -)
(General-Blue -)

Goku - 100
Master-Roshi -
Nam -

Goku (w/o Tail) -
Kuririn -
Giran -

Yamcha -
-- Roga-Fu-Fu-Ken --

Bacterian -

(Gyu-Mao -)
(Goku (Beginning of DragonBall) -)





Holy Mother of Brackets.

Sorry.

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[ahill1]

(Android #8 -) 133
(Mummy-kun -) 112.5
(General-Blue -) 90

Goku - 100
Master-Roshi - 99
Nam - 96

Goku (w/o Tail) - 75
Kuririn - 67.5
Giran - 60

Yamcha - 40
-- Roga-Fu-Fu-Ken -- 48

Bacterian - 36

(Gyu-Mao -) 55
(Goku (Beginning of DragonBall) -) 33.33333333

 

[Fantastische Hure]

(Android #8 -) 133
(Mummy-kun -) 112.5
(General-Blue -) 90

Goku - 100
Master-Roshi - 99
Nam - 96

Goku (w/o Tail) - 75
Kuririn - 67.5
Giran - 60

Yamcha - 40
-- Roga-Fu-Fu-Ken -- 48

Bacterian - 36

(Gyu-Mao -) 55
(Goku (Beginning of DragonBall) -) 33.33333333

Where'd you think Maximum Master-Roshi'd be on that scale? Dis-regarding the speed and stamina problems that might be here.

 

[ahill1]

It's a tough question. It was implied that Roshi's full power KHH could potentially kill Oozaru Goku, so I'd say his buff form (raw power) should be not that weaker than Oozaru Goku. But Goku was also pretty worn out at the time he transformed, right? How much weaker do you have Goku?

 

[Fantastische Hure]

It's a tough question. It was implied that Roshi's full power KHH could potentially kill Oozaru Goku, so I'd say his buff form (raw power) should be not that weaker than Oozaru Goku. But Goku was also pretty worn out at the time he transformed, right? How much weaker do you have Goku?

I don't know, honestly. I can't remember.

But only Master-Roshi's KHH has to be above Goku, right?!

IIRC, wasn't either Goku or Master-Roshi not able to do a KHH after Goku reverted-back and Master-Roshi didn't harm Goku when he was a Oozaru, so that might show us just how tired they were at that point.

 

[ahill1]

I don't think the KHH was that amplified at that time, so I'd have buff Roshi fairly close to Oozaru Goku, but still noticeable weaker.

After Goku reverted back, Roshi could no longer use the KHH, because he put all of his power in that Super KHH. Goku could still use the KHH, even though he was pretty tired, I believe. I'd have something like this:

Goku - 100
--pretty tired - 25
--Oozaru - 250
--after Oozaru 22

Roshi - 99
--Buff form - 225
--KHH - 275
--after the KHH - 20

I can be nerfing tired Goku a bit too much, but this way Roshi's buff form doesn't have to be super incredible powerful. Besides this, I'd like to see Karin referring to Roshi's buff form when he said Goku might have surpassed the latter.

What do you think?

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Why would Goku (post-Oozaru) be different in power to before turning Oozaru? Master-Roshi didn't do anything to him, he only destroyed the moon.

Goku (post-Oozaru) ~ Master-Roshi (post-KHH) << Master-Roshi (before KHH), I'd assume anyway.

Master-Roshi also said he used up all his energy post-KHH, I think. Yet still fought evenly with Goku after-ward.

 

[Papasmurf]

Goku got more hungry after turning Ozaru and could only muster a weak Kamehameha.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Goku got more hungry after turning Ozaru and could only muster a weak Kamehameha.

Couldn't he have been hungry as an Oozaru, too?

Also, he was about to give-up before transforming.

 

[Papasmurf]

True, the attack might have contributed to his fatigue/hunger, but either way, he'd be weaker than before he transformed

 

[Fantastische Hure]

True, the attack might have contributed to his fatigue/hunger, but either way, he'd be weaker than before he transformed

How much you'd say? By a-lot or just enough to be noticeable?

 

[ahill1]

That's because I generally think that the Oozaru form consumes a bit of power too, since after this Goku got unconscious and was awakened by Kuririn. Before the Oozaru, Goku and Roshi were tied (maybe a slightly advantage in Goku's favor). If Roshi got even weaker after the Super KHH, I'd like to have Goku a bit weaker too.

Goku and Roshi (post buff form and Oozaru) did not fight evenly, that was anime-only.

 

[Papasmurf]

Quite a bit. Goku equaled Roshi's regular Kamehameha and had a slight advantage in a head-on fight, but afterwards he was easily goaded into finishing the fight quickly with that kick clash. I don't think he had the stamina to go on much longer.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

ok! u gais win

 

[ahill1]

Correction: "Goku did not get awakened by Kuririn. He awakened on his own, I believe. Even though he was unconscious for a few seconds.

 

[Animelover5487]

(Android #8 - 130)
(Mummy-kun - 108)
(General-Blue - 93)

Goku - 100
Master-Roshi - 100
Nam - 95

Goku (w/o Tail) - 80
Kuririn - 70
Giran - 65

Yamcha - 45
-- Roga-Fu-Fu-Ken - ?

Bacterian - 40

(Gyu-Mao - 76)
(Goku (Beginning of DragonBall) - 38)


Edit: Opps forgot the Ox King.

 

[DBZAOTA482]

Mummy-kun - 115
General-Blue - 95

Goku - 100
Master-Roshi - 100
Nam - 92

Goku (w/o Tail) - 80
Kuririn - 75
Giran - 55

Yamcha - 30
-- Roga-Fu-Fu-Ken -- 40

Bacterian - 35

Gyu-Mao - 60
Goku (Beginning of DragonBall) - 20

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Mummy-kun - 115
General-Blue - 95

Goku - 100
Master-Roshi - 100
Nam - 92

Goku (w/o Tail) - 80
Kuririn - 75
Giran - 55

Yamcha - 30
-- Roga-Fu-Fu-Ken -- 40

Bacterian - 35

Gyu-Mao - 60
Goku (Beginning of DragonBall) - 20

On Android #8, what do you think?

 

[DBZAOTA482]

Mummy-kun - 115
General-Blue - 95

Goku - 100
Master-Roshi - 100
Nam - 92

Goku (w/o Tail) - 80
Kuririn - 75
Giran - 55

Yamcha - 30
-- Roga-Fu-Fu-Ken -- 40

Bacterian - 35

Gyu-Mao - 60
Goku (Beginning of DragonBall) - 20

On Android #8, what do you think?

I don't know shit about #8.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Mummy-kun - 115
General-Blue - 95

Goku - 100
Master-Roshi - 100
Nam - 92

Goku (w/o Tail) - 80
Kuririn - 75
Giran - 55

Yamcha - 30
-- Roga-Fu-Fu-Ken -- 40

Bacterian - 35

Gyu-Mao - 60
Goku (Beginning of DragonBall) - 20

On Android #8, what do you think?

I don't know shit about #8.