3rd form Freeza vs Final Zenkai Vegeta

[ahill1]

What if they actually fought in the manga?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Vegeta kills him like he killed Kui. He was confident on fighting Initial Form Freeza, who Piccolo said makes 3rd ckrm Freeza looks cute.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Vegeta blitzes Freeza.

 

[Papasmurf]

Vegeta oneshots

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Shouldn't this be on Battle Section?

 

[Spiral-Force]

Shouldn't this be on Battle Section?

This section is for DB manga discussion, so it's ok to be placed here.

 

[Diamond Ryan]

Even Freeza's initial showing of his true form makes his third form look like trash, yet Vegeta was capable of following it to a certain degree. There's no way Vegeta is going to lose this.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Vegeta oneshots, fact.

 

[freezamite]

Vegeta kills him like he killed Kui. He was confident on fighting Initial Form Freeza, who Piccolo said makes 3rd ckrm Freeza looks cute.

And as confident as he was, he got completely trashed against that Freezer. So him being confident wasn't because he knew his power, he knew Freezer's power and he became confident. In fact, considering Vegeta just came back from a zenkay it was impossible for him to know how powerful he had become.
He just was confident because he thought he was a SSJ.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

And as confident as he was, he got completely trashed against that Freezer. So him being confident wasn't because he knew his power, he knew Freezer's power and he became confident. In fact, considering Vegeta just came back from a zenkay it was impossible for him to know how powerful he had become.
He just was confident because he thought he was a SSJ.

He got trashed because Freeza used more power when they started to fight, though. And he could track Freeza's movements, something Gohan, who wasn't far under 3rd Form Freeza, couldn't.

 

[Void]

There's literally no point in Vegeta being able to follow True Form Freeza's speed and being confident in fighting him if Veggie was still inferior to 3rd form Freeza.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Freeza gets his ugly mug smashed.

 

[freezamite]

And as confident as he was, he got completely trashed against that Freezer. So him being confident wasn't because he knew his power, he knew Freezer's power and he became confident. In fact, considering Vegeta just came back from a zenkay it was impossible for him to know how powerful he had become.
He just was confident because he thought he was a SSJ.

He got trashed because Freeza used more power when they started to fight, though. And he could track Freeza's movements, something Gohan, who wasn't far under 3rd Form Freeza, couldn't.

He increased his speed, but he didn't power up (nobody said anything about his power increasing, not even himself).
Vegeta came back from the zenkay confident he had become a SSJ, and that as a SSJ he was invincible. His confidence wasn't coming from him knowing the extent of his power (he couldn't, he still hadn't had the occasion to try it) and comparing it to Freezer's, it was simply Vegeta being Vegeta.

Regarding Gohan, he wasn't even close to 3rd form Freezer (I prefer to count it as 2nd form, since Freezer's true form is the last we see). His best attack with all his power behind it was countered by Freezer's own brute strength which already demonstrates that the difference was significant.

The best we have to compare Freezer's 2nd form and Freezer's true form is through his attacks. Piccolo did see the death-beams fired by 2rd form Freezer, while he couldn't even react to the ones fired by true form Freezer, but on the other hand 2nd form Freezer wasn't at his max back there. But Vegeta could do nothing against true form Freezer, so it's very debatable if he had really surpassed Freezer's alien form.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Vegeta was delusional as hell. Freeza didn't power up at all except he increased his speed which is similar to Cell's situation against Kid Gohan. Vegeta indeed got stronger and Piccolo back it up, I don't see why would he be weaker than assault Freeza at all, it is safe to say that Vegeta surpassed Assault Freeza but still weaker than Freeza's final form.

 

[freezamite]

Vegeta was delusional as hell. Freeza didn't power up at all except he increased his speed which is similar to Cell's situation against Kid Gohan. Vegeta indeed got stronger and Piccolo back it up, I don't see why would he be weaker than assault Freeza at all, it is safe to say that Vegeta surpassed Assault Freeza but still weaker than Freeza's final form.

The thing is I wouldn't say it's "safe" at all to make this affirmation. Vegeta surely surpassed Piccolo, but Assault form Freezer (I'll use that from here onwards, so thanks for this) was also much above Piccolo.
Was Vegeta strong enough to win against that Freezer at maximum strength (something we can't know, because Freezer transformed into his final form without being forced at all to do so)? It could be argued that yes, but there's not a single feat that demonstrates this would 100% be the case or at least I can't think of any.

 

[ahill1]

I think Vegeta surpassed Freeza's 3rd form by a long shot.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Goku sensed Freeza's power after he transformed into his Final Form and noted the change.

Goku was shocked that Vegeta's Chi went down fighting that same Freeza after it got so much stronger.

Final Form Freeza>>Third Form Freeza

Vegeta's right in the middle. It would make no sense for him to be behind Freeza's weaker form because his full-power in that form would still be less than his proceeding form.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Vegeta was delusional as hell. Freeza didn't power up at all except he increased his speed which is similar to Cell's situation against Kid Gohan. Vegeta indeed got stronger and Piccolo back it up, I don't see why would he be weaker than assault Freeza at all, it is safe to say that Vegeta surpassed Assault Freeza but still weaker than Freeza's final form.

The thing is I wouldn't say it's "safe" at all to make this affirmation. Vegeta surely surpassed Piccolo, but Assault form Freezer (I'll use that from here onwards, so thanks for this) was also much above Piccolo.
Was Vegeta strong enough to win against that Freezer at maximum strength (something we can't know, because Freezer transformed into his final form without being forced at all to do so)? It could be argued that yes, but there's not a single feat that demonstrates this would 100% be the case or at least I can't think of any.

Chapter: 306 (DBZ 112), P10.2
Context: as fourth form Freeza beats up on Vegeta
Goku: “Vegeta’s ki keeps getting smaller…Even though he was supposed to have gotten outrageously stronger…Is Freeza that strong…?!”

There you go. If Vegeta is still weaker than Assault Freeza then Goku wouldn't make such a statement.

 

[freezamite]

Vegeta was delusional as hell. Freeza didn't power up at all except he increased his speed which is similar to Cell's situation against Kid Gohan. Vegeta indeed got stronger and Piccolo back it up, I don't see why would he be weaker than assault Freeza at all, it is safe to say that Vegeta surpassed Assault Freeza but still weaker than Freeza's final form.

The thing is I wouldn't say it's "safe" at all to make this affirmation. Vegeta surely surpassed Piccolo, but Assault form Freezer (I'll use that from here onwards, so thanks for this) was also much above Piccolo.
Was Vegeta strong enough to win against that Freezer at maximum strength (something we can't know, because Freezer transformed into his final form without being forced at all to do so)? It could be argued that yes, but there's not a single feat that demonstrates this would 100% be the case or at least I can't think of any.

Chapter: 306 (DBZ 112), P10.2
Context: as fourth form Freeza beats up on Vegeta
Goku: “Vegeta’s ki keeps getting smaller…Even though he was supposed to have gotten outrageously stronger…Is Freeza that strong…?!”

There you go. If Vegeta is still weaker than Assault Freeza then Goku wouldn't make such a statement.

But Assault form Freezer was never forced to use all his strength. He didn't transform because he had to, but because he felt like it. So if we assume that he used all his strength, then yes, he was a bit below Vegeta, but that's a big assumption to make.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

The thing is I wouldn't say it's "safe" at all to make this affirmation. Vegeta surely surpassed Piccolo, but Assault form Freezer (I'll use that from here onwards, so thanks for this) was also much above Piccolo.
Was Vegeta strong enough to win against that Freezer at maximum strength (something we can't know, because Freezer transformed into his final form without being forced at all to do so)? It could be argued that yes, but there's not a single feat that demonstrates this would 100% be the case or at least I can't think of any.

Chapter: 306 (DBZ 112), P10.2
Context: as fourth form Freeza beats up on Vegeta
Goku: “Vegeta’s ki keeps getting smaller…Even though he was supposed to have gotten outrageously stronger…Is Freeza that strong…?!”

There you go. If Vegeta is still weaker than Assault Freeza then Goku wouldn't make such a statement.

But Assault form Freezer was never forced to use all his strength. He didn't transform because he had to, but because he felt like it. So if we assume that he used all his strength, then yes, he was a bit below Vegeta, but that's a big assumption to make.

Then again, the story is trying to tell us that even Vegeta who powered up so much is nothing compare to Freeza. Whether Assault Freeza was full powered or not is still debatable though.