80% Freeza VS SSjin Vegeta

[Jerk Store]

Oh dear, dear, dear dear!

 

[p123]

I don't think anyone in the community has been able to do a list regarding these two powers that I'd consider accurate yet, but I'd like to see someone try. From the last I've seen people getting near the answer, it appeared that Goku was probably nearing a two fold advantage over Vegeta. So, it's most likely that Vegeta is only going to make up 50-60% of Freeza's power, even with Super Saiyan. I'm going to go with Freeza here.

 

[freezamite]

I'm fine with your opinions, but it's annoying when you assume anyone who disagrees with you hasn't read the manga. It boils down to "They disagree with me, so they aren't a true Dragon Ball fan".

It's not a matter of "being a true DB fan" but a matter of knowing the facts. Even if most of you have the manga, you discovered the series through the anime, where the internal rules of the series were constantly broken and some scenes weren't properly adapted from the manga.

It's pretty obvious when reading at some of your lists.

Frieza was at 100 % in the fight, and he lost.

Again, Freezer was not at 100% in the fight, he simply used the 100% of his strength. Using 100% of one's power is the same as saying "fighting with all his strength". Freezer was using 100% of his power after he got cut by the kienzans and couldn't even fly (you only have to see his increased muscle mass) and Vegeta was also using 100% of his power when he was barely able to enter his space-ship while trying to escape from Krilin.
If all that wasn't enough, we have Freezer directly stating that he has taken a lot of damage and that he has lost strength in the process and even if all that wasn't still enough you have Cell, who also wasn't fighting at his 100% against Goku, but still had to eat a senzu bean to compensate for the energy he had lost fighting against Goku.

If you want to tell me that he got weaker because of the Genki Dama, so did Goku, because of the strain for the Kaioken x20 and getting beaten to a pulp. One might even argue that he got even weaker than Frieza since he required Piccolo's help to get up. Yet he won.

Yes, of course Goku got weaker because of all the beating he had to endure, that applies to every character that gets injured.
But Goku had a rage boost that replenished and augmented his power (what triggered the SSJ transformation), as can be clearly seen at chapter 325 of the manga (where Goku turns to his base state, and can even dodge Freezer's kienzans) and the mecha-Freezer mini-saga (Trunks SSJ has the same power Goku SSJ had in Namek, and Goku post Yadrat who also has the same power as Trunks confirms it again by saying that he didn't have much time to train and that he has invested this time in learning the instant transmission and to transform into a SSJ at will).

Note: Frieza's power in his 2nd form is already at over 1 million. SSJ Goku is massively stronger. 2,9M simply doesn't work for him.

In a series where 24.000 means being much stronger than someone with 22.000, the difference between 1 million and 2,9 millions IS massive.

You've quite clearly didn't read the manga if you think so. And if you did, I'm pretty worried. And no, I don't feel like debating that with you. Last time I've checked, you don't want to believe that Frieza was fodder since Androids arc. And considering that your username is freezamite, I guess that you have a bias towards your favorite character.

Come on, you can do better.
Considering that I'm the one that is always providing facts based on the manga it's not a matter of me "accepting" Freezer being a fodder, but you accepting what's written in the manga.
With HUEBR_Tapion even something as basic as a character losing power after being injured was a nightmare to discuss. I'm not the one that needs to contradict the manga or the manga to contradict itself to construct my arguments, so it's only logical I won't "accept" a stance that contradicts the manga and is not properly argumented.

Did the Z-Fighters slept for their supposed 3 years of training between Mecha Frieza arc and Androids arc? Or even earlier between Frieza arc or Mecha Frieza arc? Look, from Saiyan arc to Frieza arc, Goku raised his power from 416 to over millions, and that's without mentionning Kaioken and SSJ, in less than two years. Do you think that the Z-Fighters wouldn't gain much in three years?

It depends on the z-fighter.
Goku is the one that evolved less. In the Namek saga the sayans increased their power a lot through the zenkays, but the zenkays stop once you reach the base state limit (Goku in particular abused that). Furthermore, the SSJ can't be properly trained through regular training methods, and Goku didn't realise how to properly train until inside the RoSAT.

Vegeta increased his power a lot with the activation of the SSJ. Of course, since in Namek he was really close to the limit of the base state his progress besides transforming into a SSJ was very limited.

Piccolo is the one whose power increased the most. He went from being a tad above 2nd form Freezer to Namek Goku SSJ levels of power.

All in all, it depends on what the author feels that needs at that moment and the feats the characters show as a consequence of that.