A True Continuation of DBZ Story...

[p123]

Alright, I'd like to see if we can do better than what GT, Super and Multiverse has had to offer. I do think Multiverse leads the way out of the three, but I want to see if we can come up with something really good. Let me make some pointers.


1) DBM Broly idea is a good one. In another existence an unstoppable Broly continuously powering up is interesting. The Vegetto vs Broly fight is really, really awesome. And is a great way to start off the tournament. Can't think of any other continuation that starts off so boldly. I would retcon the team knowing of Broly and simply have him portrayed as the Legendary Super Saiyan.

2) Zen Buu being a major villain in the continuation is also of course, a great idea. Absorbing Vegetto is perhaps a better idea than what they did with Buu absorbing them individually.

3) Beerus, Whis, the Gods, Jiren are all cool characters. I think they should be added in. But they have to be tweaked a bit. I would have to think about how to properly implement them in.

4) Dabura vs Cell is necessary. We need that.

5) Cooler is necessary.

6) Having King Cold have multiple transformations (even though I disagree on a manga level) is a great idea.

7) Having Bra being stupidly powerful as Vegetto's child, makes perfect sense!

8.) Having those humanoids with the super powerful technology is interesting. The Carbonite stuff has some teeth.

9) Having all of the Supreme Kais and having their battles is an awesome idea. South Kaioshin vs Fat Buu was a great idea and with him getting absorbed was great too. All of DBM is explaining the source materials many questions.

10) The Super Namek is a great, great idea!

11) Having Goku and Vegeta both have Super Saiyan 3, but not as powerful as Gohan/Gotenks makes sense! No matter how much they train, they are still just individuals, they shouldn't surpass those two without a new transformation. Which I don't think is necessary. Super Saiyan God and Super Saiyan Blue are shit, so is UI unfortunately. SSJ4 may have some teeth to it.

12) Baby is probably a good one to bring over from GT. Perhaps the Dark Dragons are too. But I don't know. GT didn't have much going for it other than Super Saiyan 4, which was a dud after all.

13) Having a strong Pan is a good idea!

14) Having Uub is a good idea. However, I don't think Kaioken is needed, he is the resurrection of Buu, his power should be enormous.

15) I think you gotta retcon Gotenks having SSJ3 and have his fight vs Super Buu occur as a Super Saiyan. That's probably the only way to make Goku and company have any chance...

16) Bringing back villains with extraordinary new power for no reason is silly I think.

17) Perhaps a new and improved Mecha Freeza, fixed up by Dr. Gero. That could be pretty interesting...

18) Maybe some sort of Fusion of Supreme Kais into the Ultimate God?

19) Nail vs the Ginyu Force is a must...

20) I think I need a better explanation of the humanoids powerful technology.

21) The Super Namek story gets played out I think...

22) Bardock convincing the Saiyans to go Oozaru and kill Freeza on the ship is brilliant.

23) Future Gohan/Trunks needs to get smacked down by Dabura or something...

 

[Victorious]

Does Broly really need to be so strong he can't fight head up with Vegetto? I mean c'mon.

 

[p123]

I think there's only a few people you can make strong enough for Vegetto. Ultimate Gods, Zen Buu, and a Legendary Super Saiyan.

It can't be Broly from the movies, it would have to be Broly the unseen Legendary Super Saiyan. You know? The Broly movie should have been way later. He's one of the few who make sense. But you have to present him as a new character, kind of like Super is doing...

The Supreme Namek vs Vegetto could be interesting as well. An entire species fused into one, now that's impressive.

Also Broly vs Vegetto is the best bit of combat we've seen post Z ever imo. And the way it is used to open the tournament is perfect imo.

Damn, Bra vs King Cold is a masterpiece.

Having a female lead like Bra is perfect, perfectly done. Damn...

Bra having to do any training at all to remain Super Saiyan is wrong after Goten and Trunks set that precedent.

The story has to evolve through the kids, but in a proper way without taking too much away from Goku and Vegeta. They do have Vegetto after all, but we have to find something for Goku and Vegeta. It's tough though, there place is gone...

 

[Victorious]

LSSJ Broly from the movies gets trashed probably by base Vegetto. Probably by SSJ Gotenks pre and definitely SSJ Gotenks post.

Anyway, how strong would you have a Saiyan arc Vegetto getting? Vegeta's 18k and Goku's 8k. Lets assume they could go SSJ as well? They're at least getting past 1st through 3rd form Freeza IMO. I'm cool with having Broly having more potential than Goku and even Gohan...but being THAT far ahead of Goku? I don't like that.

 

[p123]

Well you are thinking of him as Broly and not as the Legendary Super Saiyan. It doesn't have to be Broly, it can be the original Super Saiyan or whatever, the point is the character makes sense. Having challenges for Vegetto is difficult. An unstoppable transformation is a great way to make someone useful for him...

I really think Gotenks getting SSJ3 needs to be retconned as well. It makes too massive of a gap between Goku/Vegeta and Gohan.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Broly is about to make his canon debut and will fight SSjinB Gogeta himself. That's right Broly is a Hakaishin tier!

 

[p123]

I think that's awesome. And more appropriate for a legendary super Saiyan. He should be top tier imo

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Have you seen the trailer? The new movie is gonna crush all Broly's movies quality wise IMO. There are few errors like Goku and Vegeta having the same birth date along with Broly and Frieza's wish something to do with just being gag from what I've heard.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

The Future Babidi chapter was a minus. Salagir should have just said: 'In that timeline, Babidi didn't find a way to revive Buu and gave up.'

 

[p123]

But don't you think a Trunks vs Dabura fight would be cool? Isn't that a cool way to continue Future Trunks timeline? Trunks can acquire Super Saiyan 2. Why not? Vegeta did. Trunks saw the same thing Vegeta and Goku did and they both acquired Super Saiyan 2. Trunks was equal with Vegeta.

Super Saiyan 2 Trunks fighting Dabura sounds tasty.

 

[Pyro]

Have you seen the trailer? The new movie is gonna crush all Broly's movies quality wise IMO. There are few errors like Goku and Vegeta having the same birth date along with Broly and Frieza's wish something to do with just being gag from what I've heard.

:mikey

Read yourself some words, man. You're so incorrect.

 

[p123]

All of these new continuations lack the feel of DBZ. Goku is too much in the loop in all of them. In every saga, Goku finds someway or another to be absent at an important time, allowing for another cast member to have some spotlight. It adds to the epicness of everything. The way things are now, he's just too available. And as much as I love Vegeta, Vegeta has always been behind Goku, nowadays, he's neck and neck with him all the time. They are rivals, instead of Vegeta always nipping at his feet. Goku has always been unconcerned with Vegeta.

Unfortunately for the series, I think it should focus on Bra, Pan, Uub, Gohan, Goten and Trunks. I think Vegeta and Goku need to take a backseat, but it doesn't seem like anyone knows how to make that work. DBZ is truly a Goku story first, Goku/Vegeta story second and no one gives a damn about the remaining characters.

Fusion adds a lot of elements to the game to. It completely kills the drama and suspense previous DBZ had as they can always just fuse and make everything ok. That destroys the element of danger... Every major arc you need to find a way to nullify fusion, which is impossible with so many Saiyans around...

Also, too many what ifs and too many clearly explained examples of power are not good for the story imo. Maybe you can get away with one fan service fight. Fans would have to pick what that was.

I'd say Dabura vs Cell comes to the top of my mind of what fans like us would like to see, just to justify the issues we've had with the Gohan debacle.

South Kaioshin fighting is also a mandatory. He looks like a really badass character and would like to see him added in here...

 

[ahill1]

I think GT did a create job as per handling the character's personality. Vegeta feels like Vegeta, as Goku (at least when is an adult) feels like the true Goku shown at the Boo saga. I also feel that Vegeta has better handled Goku and Vegeta's personality, with Vegeta being maintained, generally, one step behind. Goku in GT was also (from what I remember) generally handicapped until having his chance when everyone else was inavaiable. All in all, GT has managed to get a little of the general Z sensing... more so than Super at least.

 

[p123]

Yeah, I think I'd have to agree with that. The characters felt more like themselves. In Super, Goku is just a pure dumbass. Which has never been the case. Goku was always the genius. Beerus and Whis involvement puts a different kind of feel to Goku. I don't know. I see why they went that way, but I think it could have been done a lot better.

 

[ahill1]

Yeah, you hit the nail in the coffin, characters were more like themselves in Super. I enjoyed how Veegta was this muddy big-uncle instead of the still obsessive and noisy one who still gets annoyed when Goku is surpassing him.

 

[p123]

I did like Kid Goku. That was cool to see again. An interesting idea, GT did great with that. Added a whole new element that was awesome...

Having Uub is essential, but he wasn't used properly of course. Uub is supposed to be Goku's #1 rival and should replace Vegeta. I don't know how fans will handle that, but that is what Uub's role is supposed to be imo.

I have never seen Uub utilized properly, it would take a lot of thought and effort to make him exciting and awesome. I don't have any idea how to make that work.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Uub as Goku's rival? Uub is Goku's student who should be his successor which is opposite of rival. Also Kid Goku sucks, we already have Goten for that.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

This is pretty much just DBM with a hint of GT and Super.

 

[p123]

Yeah you are right. None of it has true db feeling...

 

[ahill1]

I also found it ridiculous that how in the DBS manga Goku seemed to have no interest in polishing Oob into a true warrior, saying "Nahh, training like that isn't for me". This doesn't seem like Goku at all, really.

Goku in the Super manga also wonders whether Beerus has eyes in the back when he dodges a hit at a blind spot, which should be something Goku should be already capable of with his training with Popo.

Goku is dumb and naive enough to the point of not knowing what kissing means, even though in the end of Boo saga he was already smart enough to blackmail old Kai using a real woman (Bulma) and knew when not to fight stronger enemies, whereas in Super it seems Goku wants to take a shot at anyone no matter how outclassed he is.