About Gohan vs Dabura?

[Fantastische Hure]

What if Gohan was an SSJ2, but AT just didn’t bother to draw electricity around him to show how unimpressive he’s now? I know he drew electricity at the Budokai, but that was different maybe (first time SSJ2 is seen since the Cell-Saga). After-all not long after was going to be SSJ2 Goku vs Majin Vegeta. If Gohan is so bad now that even his SSJ2 can’t get electricity it shows how low he is now.

So:

SSJ2 Gohan > Dabura ~ Perfect-Cell, but with-in rivalling-range showing how much Gohan hasn’t trained at-all. Struggling with some-one who he trashed with ease years ago.

 

[GSM123]

This is what I think.

 

[Animelover5487]

Agreed except Dabura was stated to be stronger than Perfect Cell after he showed his magic.

Boo arc SSJ2 Gohan = Dabura (with Magic) = Beyond Limits Cell >> Perfect Cell

 

[Fantastische Hure]

SPCell arguably rivals young Gohan. No way could Boo-saga Gohan be on-par with him. I meant in-terms of Ki level.

 

[Animelover5487]

SPCell arguably rivals young Gohan. No way could Boo-saga Gohan be on-par with him. I meant in-terms of Ki level.

Yeah that's why I think Goku was talking about Perfect Cell when he said Dabura was equal to Cell. Goku probably couldn't sense how powerful SPC was too good while in otherworld.

 

[Scott]

He was SS1.

 

[SSJ2]

This is how it should have been obviously, but the art is undeniable. There's also the fact that Gohan himself admits that he and Dabura aren't fighting at a level beyond Super Saiyan.

Chapter: 458 (DBZ 264), P6.1-2
Context: after Majin Boo quickly reaches full power
Kaioshin: “Th-that’s impossible…Wh-why has Goku’s damage energy [filled it up] already…!?”
Gohan: “…I-I know…! Father is fighting at a level that has further surpassed Super Saiyan…Vegeta probably is too…If two incredible powers like that clash, th-the damage is astounding too…!”

 

[Fantastische Hure]

This is how it should have been obviously, but the art is undeniable. There's also the fact that Gohan himself admits that he and Dabura aren't fighting at a level beyond Super Saiyan.

Chapter: 458 (DBZ 264), P6.1-2
Context: after Majin Boo quickly reaches full power
Kaioshin: “Th-that’s impossible…Wh-why has Goku’s damage energy [filled it up] already…!?”
Gohan: “…I-I know…! Father is fighting at a level that has further surpassed Super Saiyan…Vegeta probably is too…If two incredible powers like that clash, th-the damage is astounding too…!”

What about the long front hair? There is only one.

I never thought about the dialogue, but you're right. Even-so though Gohan can sense Ki, so maybe he was talking about their Ki individually even-though he said SSJ2. Besides Dabura wasn't really doing any damage.

 

[Animelover5487]

This is how it should have been obviously, but the art is undeniable. There's also the fact that Gohan himself admits that he and Dabura aren't fighting at a level beyond Super Saiyan.

Chapter: 458 (DBZ 264), P6.1-2
Context: after Majin Boo quickly reaches full power
Kaioshin: “Th-that’s impossible…Wh-why has Goku’s damage energy [filled it up] already…!?”
Gohan: “…I-I know…! Father is fighting at a level that has further surpassed Super Saiyan…Vegeta probably is too…If two incredible powers like that clash, th-the damage is astounding too…!”

That doesn't confirm that Gohan wasn't a SSJ2. That just means that Goku and Vegeta in SSJ2 are stronger than Gohan. The fact is that Gohan has gotten so rusty at this point that even in SSJ2 he can't generate enough power to Awaken Majin Boo, plus his fight with Dabura was cut short and neither sustained much damage.

 

[Power Level Guy]

Goku probably couldn't sense how powerful SPC was too good while in otherworld.

He could sense King Kai from the same distance just well, why on Earth wouldn't he be able to sense SPC of all people?



It's clear Gohan was a Super Saiyan against Dabura and Buu, he also was a Super Saiyan for his Z-Sword time as well.

Why Gohan wasn't a SSJ2? We can only speculate. It's quite possible AT just forgot unfortunately, but whatever the case Gohan is just a Super Saiyan.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Like I said it's possible Gohan was an SSJ2, just that AT wanted to show how low Gohan has gotten since the Cell-Saga so much so that he can't even get electricity which comes with the form. Goku & Vegeta would fight just 2 chapters or so later & I guess he didn't want to steal their thunder (ha).

 

[Animelover5487]

He could sense King Kai from the same distance just well, why on Earth wouldn't he be able to sense SPC of all people?



It's clear Gohan was a Super Saiyan against Dabura and Buu, he also was a Super Saiyan for his Z-Sword time as well.

Why Gohan wasn't a SSJ2? We can only speculate. It's quite possible AT just forgot unfortunately, but whatever the case Gohan is just a Super Saiyan.

Wasn't King Kai right next to Goku in otherworld? They died st the same time and Goku was using his telepathy to communicate to Gohan.

 

[Power Level Guy]

Wasn't King Kai right next to Goku in otherworld? They died st the same time and Goku was using his telepathy to communicate to Gohan.

How do you think Goku got to King Kai in the first place?

 

[Scott]

This is how it should have been obviously, but the art is undeniable. There's also the fact that Gohan himself admits that he and Dabura aren't fighting at a level beyond Super Saiyan.

Chapter: 458 (DBZ 264), P6.1-2
Context: after Majin Boo quickly reaches full power
Kaioshin: “Th-that’s impossible…Wh-why has Goku’s damage energy [filled it up] already…!?”
Gohan: “…I-I know…! Father is fighting at a level that has further surpassed Super Saiyan…Vegeta probably is too…If two incredible powers like that clash, th-the damage is astounding too…!”

The thing is, by Gohan's statement, being SS2 means you're able to deal tremendous damage in a short amount of time. Vegeeta was implied to be SS2 before Bobbidi powered him up, but we know that he wouldn't have been able to fill up the damage meter with Gokuu's energy without Bobbidi's boost.

He certainly isn't SS2 going by his words, but his explanation doesn't make sense. There are clearly multiple tiers to SS2; if regular SS2 Vegeeta can can't fill up the damage meter, then that means Gohan can be SS2 without being able to fill it up. But the artwork is undeniable.

 

[Power Level Guy]

There are clearly multiple tiers to SS2; if regular SS2 Vegeeta can can't fill up the damage meter

It's not Vegeta filling up the meter, it's Goku. Vegeta contributes nothing to the meter.

 

[Scott]

It's not Vegeta filling up the meter, it's Goku. Vegeta contributes nothing to the meter.

Vegeeta fills it up by beating up Gokuu. Without Bobbidi's boost, Vegeeta wouldn't have been able to hurt Gokuu enough to fill it.

 

[Power Level Guy]

Vegeeta fills it up by beating up Gokuu. Without Bobbidi's boost, Vegeeta wouldn't have been able to hurt Gokuu enough to fill it.

Oh ok, yeah.

But no one knew Vegeta was a SSJ2. Gohan and Goku's dialogue both seems to suggest they had no idea Vegeta had that level of power.

 

[Scott]

Oh ok, yeah.

But no one knew Vegeta was a SSJ2. Gohan and Goku's dialogue both seems to suggest they had no idea Vegeta had that level of power.

But it's not simply being SS2 that put Vegeeta at that level of power. SS2 Vegeeta wasn't that strong before Bobbidi. Gohan's statement implies just being SS2 makes you strong enough to fill up the damage meter.

 

[Power Level Guy]

But it's not simply being SS2 that put Vegeeta at that level of power. SS2 Vegeeta wasn't that strong before Bobbidi. Gohan's statement implies just being SS2 makes you strong enough to fill up the damage meter.

Gohan doesn't know how strong Vegeta is.

 

[Scott]

Gohan doesn't know how strong Vegeta is.

But we do, fammy fam