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[FeatsofPower]

Goku is strong enough to power up Gohan enough to where he can defeat Buutenks in Base. It doesn't seem implied that Gokhan would not be able to gain benefits from Super Saiyan.

He'd probably be plenty, the anime says, he'd probably be enough.

If you follow the anime, then you'd have him a bit weaker than Vegetto, who matches Buuhan.

But honestly, I think I'd prefer to have Vegetto a bit stronger than Buuhan and Gokhan matching Buuhan if I could.

Potara is pretty powerful if it's able to do that. To take Base Gokan above Ultimate Gohan. That's a pretty absurd power-up.

But how strong is Base Metamoran Gokhan? Goku implies he'd need Super Saiyan to defeat Buuhan, so I wonder.

If Super Saiyan is enough for what we can imagine two Gokus fusing, then fusion is just absurd.

Does the manga really imply for Base Vegetto to be so strong? I doubt it.

Super Saiyan Vegetto doesn't even need to be more than 2x Buuhan either.

Yet, Goku implies he'd choose to fuse with Vegeta seemingly over Gohan in BoG anime.

Base Kefla is much stronger than LSSJ Kale, right? And LSSJ Kale is way stronger than SSJ2 Caulifla.

So it can't be a fusion just merely of 3 Cauliflas.

Man, fusion is so confusing.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

When does Goku say Metamorian Gokhan could beat Majin Boo?

With Potara it always looks like fusion is at least somewhat superior to the strongest powers of the fusers. We don’t know much about Metamorian, and it doesn’t help that Gogeta is closer to Vegetto than he is to any other Metamorian fusion.

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

When does Goku say Metamorian Gokhan could beat Majin Boo?

Spoiler

 

[FeatsofPower]

When does Goku say Metamorian Gokhan could beat Majin Boo?

When he says if he fuses with Gohan they will definitely win.

With Potara it always looks like fusion is at least somewhat superior to the strongest powers of the fusers. We don’t know much about Metamorian, and it doesn’t help that Gogeta is closer to Vegetto than he is to any other Metamorian fusion.

Agreed, would highest power x2 work?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Agreed, would highest power x2 work?

It depends. I always had Base Kefla tens of times LSSJ Kale to fit Vados’ statement better, but a boost this small does work. The girls could put up some fight with SSJG Goku before getting overwhelmed.

LSSJ Kale: 75
SSJG Goku: 100
Kefla: 150

But then Base Gogeta seems to be = Ikari Broly since they were also equals as SSJs, and Ikari was around SSJB Goku at most. So either Kefla gets a bigger boost tha Vegetto or Gogeta isn’t the same as Vegetto.

 

[Animelover5487]

It depends. I always had Base Kefla tens of times LSSJ Kale to fit Vados’ statement better, but a boost this small does work. The girls could put up some fight with SSJG Goku before getting overwhelmed.

LSSJ Kale: 75
SSJG Goku: 100
Kefla: 150

But then Base Gogeta seems to be = Ikari Broly since they were also equals as SSJs, and Ikari was around SSJB Goku at most. So either Kefla gets a bigger boost tha Vegetto or Gogeta isn’t the same as Vegetto.

Blue has a much larger multiplier than LSSJ.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Blue has a much larger multiplier than LSSJ.

This is base fusion vs strongest fuser form. These multipliers don’t matter.

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

But then Base Gogeta seems to be = Ikari Broly since they were also equals as SSJs, and Ikari was around SSJB Goku at most.

Wouldn’t SSJ Broly just be 5x above Ikari Broly? I mean, he already has increased his strength 10x before. By the way, Broly has unlimited stamina or something like that? Because dealing with Golden Freeza on 1 hour, and, on top of that, getting distracted by Whis should count as something.

Problem is that Base Gogeta should fall below SSj Blue Goku and perhaps even his God form.

 

[Animelover5487]

This is base fusion vs strongest fuser form. These multipliers don’t matter.

It does when determining which is the bigger boost. SSJB >>> SSJG >>> LSSJ so Kefla's base being above Kale's LSSJ doesn't mean that she had a larger Fusion boost than Gogeta.

 

[FeatsofPower]

But then Base Gogeta seems to be = Ikari Broly since they were also equals as SSJs, and Ikari was around SSJB Goku at most. So either Kefla gets a bigger boost tha Vegetto or Gogeta isn’t the same as Vegetto.

The rivals boost should clear any of those issues up. I'll start a thread.

 

[SSJ2]

But how strong is Base Metamoran Gokhan? Goku implies he'd need Super Saiyan to defeat Buuhan, so I wonder

Was this implied? Even if so, how do we know Goku is talking about Super Saiyan 1?

 

[FeatsofPower]

Was this implied? Even if so, how do we know Goku is talking about Super Saiyan 1?

The best way to interpret this is to assume that Goku thinks Metamoran Gokan needs to transform to be able to defeat Buutenks.

 

[SSJ2]

The best way to interpret this is to assume that Goku thinks Metamoran Gokan needs to transform to be able to defeat Buutenks.

I definitely agree, though what is stopping the fusion from using SSJ3?

 

[FeatsofPower]

I definitely agree, though what is stopping the fusion from using SSJ3?

Nothing.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Wait, by SSJ you think he means SSJ1 exclusively?

 

[FeatsofPower]

Wait, by SSJ you think he means SSJ1 exclusively?

Hmm. I want to say I think so.
I want to try this claim out.

Super Saiyan Gokan >> Buutenks

And Gokan Metamoran is just 2 Gokus fusing.

I think that is actually going to work, what do you think?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Hmm. I want to say I think so.
I want to try this claim out.

Super Saiyan Gokan >> Buutenks

And Gokan Metamoran is just 2 Gokus fusing.

I think that is actually going to work, what do you think?

Hmm maybe. The fusion is gonna be Base Goku and suppressed Z Sword Gohan right? I don’t think Metamorian can take suppressed power/forms into account. If it did then Goku and Gohan would need to be equals to fuse.

This makes the gap between Goku and Goten quite big, doesn’t it? Like, SSJ Goku >>> SSJ3 Goten big.

 

[FeatsofPower]

Hmm maybe. The fusion is gonna be Base Goku and suppressed Z Sword Gohan right? I don’t think Metamorian can take suppressed power/forms into account. If it did then Goku and Gohan would need to be equals to fuse.

No, fusion still seems to incorporate full power. Goku and Gohan fusing in the Metamoran style will equate to taking the full power of Goku into consideration.

Essentially...

Base Gokhan = 2x Super Saiyan 3 Goku...


Super Saiyan Gokan 1,000
Base Gokan 20
Super Saiyan 3 Goku 10

This strategy I'm employing seems to be working.

Metamoran only takes into account the power of the weaker fighter, Potara only takes into account the power of the stronger fighter.

I think this is an excellent way to look at things.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

No, fusion still seems to incorporate full power. Goku and Gohan fusing in the Metamoran style will equate to taking the full power of Goku into consideration.

If SSJ3 is taken into consideration then so should Ultimate.

 

[FeatsofPower]

If SSJ3 is taken into consideration then so should Ultimate.

It is, Base Gokan is 2x Ultimate Gohan.
Metamoran does not include the top power of the stronger fighter.