Am I the only one who thinks Hit > Merged Zamasu?

[Super Neko Majin Z]

Merged Zamasu's attack got blasted back at him by SSJB Goku, and with the basic Kaio-Ken SSJB Goku stunned him with one kick. So why does everyone think he's stronger than Hit? I mean, people think he's stronger than Beerus! Seriously, I need to know because I just don't get it.

 

[SSJ2]

People are trying to hold on to their love for Vegetto.

Although I must admit, Goku surpassing Vegetto with maybe a Kaioken x3 is cancer. Vegetto should be >>> SSJB Kaioken x10, but we got dealt a shitty hand in the last couple episodes.

 

[ekrolo2]

Let's see:

Hit can take an attack from Blue KKX10 Goku and not only survive it but further improve his abilities to keep on fighting for a lot longer than Goku has while a Goku with all of his limbs destroyed, minus a leg, can bitch slap Zamasu around with a mere x2 boost.

Yup, Hit > everyone in the Black arc who's not Zeno.

 

[Papasmurf]

Pain made Zamasu stronger probably

 

[ekrolo2]

I think they could've rationalized Vegetto being such a non-increase if they had tired Goku & Vegeta fuse together. That way you could say "Oh well Vegetto's components were tired & beaten to shit so that resulted in his power being lower than if they were at their peak!".

 

[SSJ2]

Yeah that's what I suggested initially, and that would still be a huge stretch. Better than what we got though

 

[Papasmurf]

What I don't get is why they couldn't just have Goku use Kaioken IN the struggle and dish out KKx10 (or maybe even x20) when Zamasu had him in such a death-grip that he had to dish his life risking move out

I'd still say Potara > KKx10 just based on the fact that Goku after taking a senzu would prefer to fuse to acces their highest power than any form of Kaioken, but it's all a hot mess due to the insane rushing in that episode

 

[SSJ2]

Goku stated that using Kaioken is a huge gamble and that it doesn't even work a lot of the time. Didn't he say it was a 1 in 10 chance against Hit? Fusion is 100% and takes out the risk factor.

 

[Papasmurf]

He just succeeded 2 minutes before that statement and only burned out due to the prior strain of the energy struggle so I doubt he's doubting his chances. And I mean... Zamasu was so distracted he gave them fucking time to convene and discuss their strategy with the Potara so yeah I doubt it was possible interference either.

 

[SSJ2]

That was x2 not x10

 

[Papasmurf]

He said the technique as a whole had a 10% chance of not killing him and never stated upping it further would endanger his life so I dunno if that was such an issue. It surely causes a heavier ki drain, but that's it

 

[ekrolo2]

Nah, the issue with KK coming back is the retcon of "Oh Super Saiyan was never really master-able, it clearly fucking is if you read the manga and see how fine Goku & Gohan are but nope! This shitty recolor of it is totes better! But it also has stamina issues guys!".

What a fucking mess.

 

[Papasmurf]

Tbf it at least fits in with that other thing where they trained to master their ki control in the FnF saga (and that other thing where Toriyama claimed blue hair was meant to represent a calm heart and not complete and utter laziness), although him conserving energy to even transform in the first place is fucking stupid when he withstood a Kaioken version of it.

If they were bringing it back at all though it shouldn't have been for such a throwaway moment in the Black arc.

 

[Papasmurf]

If they were gonna dish out Kaioken they should've come up with some BS reason why it's compatible tbh, like how SSJ God healed Goku's wounds in the BoG arc so the SSJ Blue form stops the Kaioken from doing damage on his body or something. We KINDA saw it when he began to break down after reverting to base but that seems like it has nothing to do with SSJB healing oneself or something

 

[ekrolo2]

Yeah, I was actually hoping the healing thing would come back when Goku powers up in 61 and had that big ass hole in his chest in the exact same place.

 

[Pyro]

Going by feats, sure, it could be reasonably understood that Hit is superior to Merged Zamasu. But then again, going by feats, SSG Goku and suppressed Beerus > SSB Vegetto and Merged Zamasu.

Going by statements and powerscaling (what little coherency there is), Hit shouldn't be stronger.

 

[SSJ2]

What statements?