Android Arc Gohan

[SSJ2]

I always have trouble placing him. Recently, I've gone back to the train of thought that the humans are actually substantially powerful after the 3 year gap, but this is impossible if you keep a 50x SSJ multiplier.

Let's just assume a 10x multiplier for now.

SSJ Vegeta: 450
SSJ Goku: 430
SSJ Trunks: 415
Piccolo: 375
Krillin: 25
Tenshinhan: 20
Yamcha: 15
Gohan: ???

Where does Gohan fit in here? Maybe 35?

I just feel that leaves him too close to the humans, who are supposedly a valuable source of energy to Gero, and showed up for the battle despite being told not to come if they didn't get more powerful.

 

[Six Trails]

75% of Base Goku and 90% of suppressed Piccolo for me. So it can vary depending on my multiplier. This is what I currently have:

Trunks saga Trunks: 200,000,000
Trunks saga Goku: 225,000,000

Yamcha: 4,000,000
Tenshinhan: 5,000,000
Krillin: 6,000,000
Gohan: 7,200,000
suppressed Piccolo: 8,000,000
Base Goku: 9,600,000
Piccolo: 360,000,000
SS Trunks: 450,000,000
SS Goku: 480,000,000
SS Vegeta: 500,000,000

#19 pre: 180,000,000 - 200,000,000
#19 post: 250,000,000
#20 pre: 240,000,000
#20 post: 300,000,000

 

[SSJ2]

Where do you fit the androids into that?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

I tend to keep him barely behind Base Goku at the time. He did go through the same training that boosted Piccolo into SSJ tier after all, so I tend to try and keep him as high as I can to make things seem consistent.

 

[SSJ2]

Yeah, I just find it weird that he gained so little in comparison to Piccolo.

 

[Six Trails]

Added them in. The gaps are a little weird, and Vegeta has a huge gap over #19, but it's all hard to fit with the #20 post > #19 post implications and then the whole Super Saiyans >/>> Piccolo stuff.

 

[SSJ2]

@Mike: so how is absorbing these powers going to help Gero beat Vegeta?

Tenshinhan: 5,000,000
Krillin: 6,000,000
Gohan: 7,200,000
suppressed Piccolo: 8,000,000

 

[Six Trails]

Well, there was Pyrus' explanation that #20 would be close enough that he can last long enough Vegeta to absorb his energy and eventually overcome Vegeta, since he never actually said he'd surpass Vegeta.

I could also just put the Super Saiyan multiplier at 4x and raise all of them by 12.5x.

 

[SSJ2]

Yeah, I think adjusting the multiplier is the only way to make it work here...

You can also argue that most of Piccolo's attacks were when 20 was off guard, but there is still a substantial gap there. I could put the Piccolo vs 20 gap at 1.2x and then have less problems with the humans.

 

[Six Trails]

For me, the bigger issue in the Android arc is #19 pre and #19 post compared to sick Goku and Vegeta. Vegeta pretty much says #19 post isn't all that much stronger than Trunks, which limits the gap for me.

 

[p123]

Piccolo Suppressed ~ Gohan + Krillen + Tien

Their power has to be combined to be as valuable as Piccolos Suppressed power. This level of power seems to be inferior to Base Vegeta as well.

 

[SSJ2]

What a headache, haha.

I managed to get it to somewhat work on my list, but Gero still ends up being slightly weaker than Vegeta. I suppose that is all that he'd need to win though.

 

[p123]

Well you don't have to be too intent on making Gero's claims work imo. He stated his calculations were off on several occasions. Goku and Vegeta are so far above the calculations his own math probably doesn't add up.

Piccolo's own statement of his suppressed power being absolutely nothing also holds true as well. I don't see a need to lose the 50x boost for this situation. Don't forget 50x boost is practically needed to make the Base boys somewhere close to 18. 50x boost is actually needed to span the gap between the Base Saiyans and the Androids.

 

[SSJ2]

Gero's sensing abilities are always something I find interesting. Here are some reasons why they'd be unreliable:

He thought 19 > SSJ Goku/Vegeta.
He couldn't see through SSJ Vegeta's bluff.
He thought absorbing suppressed Piccolo's power would make him stronger than Piccolo himself.

I just can't find a reason to ignore that final statement, as it seems the intent was that everyone would make him a match for Vegeta.

Piccolo's own statement of his suppressed power being absolutely nothing also holds true as well. I don't see a need to lose the 50x boost for this situation. Don't forget 50x boost is practically needed to make the Base boys somewhere close to 18. 50x boost is actually needed to span the gap between the Base Saiyans and the Androids.

Indeed, and that is the issue that I'll run into down the line with a 10x multiplier. It'll make the Base kids so powerful that they could have one shotted 18 with a suppressed ki blast in Base instead of SSJ.

 

[p123]

I don't see how you can manage to have MSSJ powers only 10x above Android 18. I think I had Grade 2 Super Saiyans already at that level lol.

 

[ahill1]

75% of Base Goku and 90% of suppressed Piccolo for me. So it can vary depending on my multiplier. This is what I currently have:

Trunks saga Trunks: 200,000,000
Trunks saga Goku: 225,000,000

Yamcha: 4,000,000
Tenshinhan: 5,000,000
Krillin: 6,000,000
Gohan: 7,200,000
suppressed Piccolo: 8,000,000
Base Goku: 9,600,000
Piccolo: 360,000,000
SS Trunks: 450,000,000
SS Goku: 480,000,000
SS Vegeta: 500,000,000

#19 pre: 180,000,000 - 200,000,000
#19 post: 250,000,000
#20 pre: 240,000,000
#20 post: 300,000,000

Where do you have the Future Androids ?

 

[Six Trails]

Both at 500,000,000.

 

[p123]

Compare Super Saiyan Vegeta vs Android 19 ( Post KHH ) to Piccolo ( Pre Kami ) vs 17. There is no comparison. 19 Post is superior to 50% of Vegeta, without a doubt.

Also, Piccolo Suppressed ~ Gohan + Krillen + Tien.

 

[SSJ2]

What if we ditch the Piccolo gaining 2x his power, and consider that to only be relevant on Namek?

Any major issues caused by that?

 

[p123]

No you can get away with the logic that Nail adds some extra boost to the mix and that would be fine without messing up with the Namek stuff.

The only issue is that Piccolo does indeed seem to earn Vegeta's respect.

I might go with something like this for now...

Super Saiyan Vegeta 100
Super Saiyan Goku 95
Super Saiyan Trunks 90
Piccolo 80
Super Saiyan Goku ( Sick ) 70
Android 20 Post 67.5
Android 19 Post 65
Android 20 55
Android 19 50


Yikes, this is impossible.

This is the best I could do...