Android & Cell Saga Power Level List

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Androids Saga Power Level Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7MVSoLqKog&t

Cell Saga Power Level Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agYN_G0-LIE&t




Trunks Arc


Yamcha 300,000

Tien 450,000

Krillin 500,000

Gohan 1,000,000

Piccolo 7,500,000

Vegeta 10,000,000

King Cold 250,000,000

Mecha Freeza (Suppressed) 250,000,000
~ Full Power (Unseen) 400,000,000

Trunks 12,000,000
~ Super Saiyan (Holding Back vs Goku) 500,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 600,000,000

Goku 15,000,000
~ Trunks Expectations 675,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 750,000,000



Future Arc

Gohan (2 Arms) 8,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 400,000,000

Gohan (1 Arm) 11,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 550,000,000

Trunks 12,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 600,000,000

Android #18 (Less than Half) 450,000,000
~ Full Power 1,500,000,000

Android #17 (Less than Half) 450,000,000
~ Full Power 1,500,000,000




Androids Saga


Yamcha 3,000,000

Tien 4,500,000

Krillin 5,000,000

Gohan 12,500,000

Android #20 775,000,000
~ Post Absorption 950,000,000

Android #19 700,000,000
~ Post Absorption 1,000,000,000

Piccolo (Suppressed) 22,500,000
~ Full Power 1,125,000,000

Trunks 26,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 1,300,000,000

Goku 29,000,000
~ Super Saiyan (Sicker) 850,000,000
~ Super Saiyan (Sick) 1,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan (Healthy) 1,450,000,000

Vegeta 30,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 1,500,000,000

Android #18 2,000,000,000

Android #17 2,250,000,000

Kamiccolo (W/Weights) 2,000,000,000
~ W/o Weights 2,250,000,000
~ Light Grenade 4,500,000,000

Android #16 6,000,000,000

Imperfect Cell 1,750,000,000
~ Post Absorption 6,000,000,000

Semi Cell 12,500,000,000



RoSaT


Goku 60,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 3,000,000,000
~ Grade 2 6,000,000,000
~ Grade 3 15,000,000,000

Semi Cell 12,500,000,000
~ Full Power 17,500,000,000

Vegeta 250,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 12,500,000,000
~ Grade 2 25,000,000,000
~ Final Flash 75,000,000,000

Trunks 240,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 12,000,000,000
~ Grade 2 24,000,000,000
~ Grade 3 60,000,000,000

Perfect Cell
~ Fake Ki 22,500,000,000
~ True Power 50,000,000,000
~ Power Weighted 60,000,000,000

50% Super Saiyan Goku 75,000,000,000




Cell Game


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Android 16 6,000,000,000

Piccolo W/Weights 67,500,000,000
~ W/o Weights 75,000,000,000

Trunks 2,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 100,000,000,000

Vegeta 2,100,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 105,000,000,000
~ Blast 250,000,000,000

Cell Juniors 105,000,000,000

Goku 3,000,000,000
~ Warm Up 50,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 150,000,000,000
~ Kamehameha 375,000,000,000

Perfect Cell 50,000,000,000
~ Powered Up 165,000,000,000
~ Powered Up Further 200,000,000,000
~ Full Power 500,000,000,000
~ Power Weighted 750,000,000,000
~ Kamehameha 1,250,000,000,000

Super Perfect Cell 850,000,000,000
~ Kamehameha 2,125,000,000,000

Gohan 4,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 200,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 2 (Enraged) 900,000,000,000
~ Kamehameha 2,250,000,000,000


Free the Future

Android #18 1,500,000,000

Android #17 1,500,000,000

Trunks 2,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 100,000,000

3 years Later

Cell 3,000,000,000

Trunks 2,500,000,000
~Super Saiyan 125,000,000,000

 

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1. How do you view the SSJ Vegeta>>SSJ Vegeta (drained)>>Nineteen (post Vegeta's energy)>>Nineteen (post Goku)?
2. Power Weighted Cell>Grade 3 Trunks.

 

[Super Saiyan Masta Don]

1) I'm not messing with that!

2) Yes, I forgot to include it here. I have Buff Cell at 65 billion.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Hey P, not really related to the topic, but here's some food for thought about tanking:

Vegeta dashes at Recoome and punches his face and clearly knocks him out of his feet, but Recoome has no bruises from that punch. Semi Cell dashes at Vegeta and punches his face on the same way Vegeta punches Recoome, Vegeta clearly stay on his feet but has a bruise on his cheek. How can Vegeta throw Recoome farther but not even scratch him?

 

[Super Saiyan Masta Don]

That is asking for a bit too much consistency wise I believe. There's no way the author is thinking this detailed, we are just playing a game and trying to run with it, but it's clearly not the intention of the author to get so detailed.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

That's what i hand in mind as well. Sometimes we may be just overlooking it.

 

[Super Saiyan Masta Don]

Any other issues you have with my list? I know you are a nitpicking bastard, I'm sure you will find something. Haha. I think I've created the best list of all time, no bullshit man. Have you been checking out my videos?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Nah, other than 17 using 30% of his power it's all ok. If 17 is using so low power, why not say "Less than 1/3"? Piccolo's Blast being 75% of Cell is quite odd for me as well.

 

[Super Saiyan Masta Don]

Less than Half = 40% is nice logic indeed, however it does not override the power gap...

Vegeta >> Sick Goku ~ Post Androids > Yardrat Goku ~ Pre Androids > Trunks > Future Androids Less than Half

The difference we are talking about is going from 40% to 30% to make sure that power chain works properly because a no brainer.

Piccolo's Light Grenade as in Actual power shown is around 375-400 in my opinion. I just put the full power capability.

Light Grenade being 60-66% of Cell.

A little closer than I'd like but it's a game of concessions. This was the only area I felt I could cheap out a little and it was necessary to make the Base Saiyans power work properly in relArion to the Androids. So maybe a little cheaped out here to make a perfect Androids to Base Saiyans power chain, totally worth it.

It's a game of concessions. When two issues are at odds, you must pick one.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

It fits perfectly man. What's wrong with this?:

Spoiler

Future 17 (<50%): 600
SSJ Gohan: 720
SSJ Trunks: 750
SSJ Goku: 900

SSJ Goku (Sick): 1,000
Android 19: 675
~ Post: 1,080
Android 20: 750
~ Post: 1,000
Piccolo: 1,200
SSJ Trunks: 1,500
SSJ Goku: 1,575
SSJ Vegeta: 1,600

It's perfect IMO


I've acepted 2x over the blast isn't a rule as well. 1.5x or so people barely get harmed. I have Cell 5x Piccolo rn, but only 1.5x the blast.

 

[Void]

I have Cell 5x Piccolo rn, but only 1.5x the blast.

Imperfect Cell at 5x Piccolo? That's pretty steep, even for people who like bloat.

 

[Super Saiyan Masta Don]

I wouldn't be able to live with Yardrat Goku being 90% of Sick Goku. I have Yardrat Goku at 75% of Sick Goku and that's already at the minimum imo.

Sick Goku should be able to stomp Yardrat Goku with ease.

 

[Super Saiyan Masta Don]

Imperfect Cell being 5x is pretty standard.

Light Grenade > 2.22x = Kamehameha from Saiyan Saga = Pathetic

Is the reason why 5x is legit.

This is one of the big reasons I had to throw out some of the manga numbers. That 5x gap looks ridiculous. With redoing ki amplification from scratch and starting from a much more reasonable level I was able to get Imperfect Cell a mere ~2.5x over Piccolo. Which was done by the skin of my teeth. It was a lot of work and if I made Cell and weaker or stronger it would create a nightmare. Miracle really to get it to all come together.

 

[Void]

Piccolo is already wearing down by the time Cell shows up, no? Then Piccolo gets rag-dolled by Cell and can barely pick himself up off the ground before he fires that Light Grenade. I can't imagine that was the best Light Grenade that he was capable of. It could've done in No.17 and/or No.18 without a doubt, which is why they were scared and impressed by it, but Cell and No.16 didn't give two shits about it. 3x is fine, 5x is just overkill here.

 

[Super Saiyan Masta Don]

Well 3x is probably his amplification. That's the problem...

Piccolo considers the Saiyan Saga Kamehameha dogshit. So clearly his amplification should be superior to that.

 

[Void]

Well 3x is probably his amplification. That's the problem...

Piccolo considers the Saiyan Saga Kamehameha dogshit. So clearly his amplification should be superior to that.

Right, but I'm saying if Piccolo is worn down...

No.17 - 100

Piccolo FP - 100
worn down - 75
Light Grenade - 225

Imperfect Seru - 300

Just trying something different.

 

[Super Saiyan Masta Don]

75% isn't enough. Look at Raditz vs Goku's Kamehameha. Raditz is violently shaken by Goku's Kamehameha and he is clearly in fear of it. Cell on the other hand, couldn't care less about Piccolo's Light Grenade. He looks like he's just casually strolling in the park.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

What's the ideal Cell/Gekiretsu Kodan gap for you P?

 

[Super Saiyan Masta Don]

3x is generally good.

But that's with me re-writing the ki amplification progression. It's one of the big reasons I had to go rewrite the story numerically, because this singular gap destroys all power level lists. No one wants to admit it, but all of their lists can never be consistent because they don't respect this gap and none of them do. As far as I'm concerned, all lists are invalid because of this one issue, this is where I attack initially because it's so easy. No one has it right.

If you wish to be a fool and accept Saiyan Saga Kamehameha as a 2.22x boost, then you would want a 5x boost between Piccolo and Cell using Light Grenade as a 3x boost. That is minimum!

 

[Void]

75% isn't enough. Look at Raditz vs Goku's Kamehameha. Raditz is violently shaken by Goku's Kamehameha and he is clearly in fear of it. Cell on the other hand, couldn't care less about Piccolo's Light Grenade. He looks like he's just casually strolling in the park.

75% is fine. Your point about Raditz is moot. 50% Freeza braces himself and looks shaken from those two blasts from Krillin and Gohan. Super Perfect Cell braces himself for Vegeta's blast after the former kills Trunks.