Anyone else think SSB is a underwhelming form?

[Ultimate Cell]

SSB to me is a underwhelming form. It doesn't help that it's just a generic recolor and the fact that the form itself hasn't gotten any villain kills. Against Frieza, Goku was beaten back by Frieza and got lucky that Frieza didn't master the Golden Form, but then Sorbet hax laser got him so Vegeta had to go kick Frieza ass until Frieza blew up the planet. Yeah sure Whis rewind time but SSB would have lost to Frieza if Freiza didn't have energy strain and Whis time hax. Then in the U6 Vs U7 saga, Hit dominates Vegeta and Goku until Goku has to use Kaioken. Even then Goku only has the advantage until Hit improves himself. Goku loses and U7 would have lost if not for Monaka beating Hit. Then Black comes along, trashes SSB Vegeta in Base and Rose form, Trashes Goku too, they come back, get beat again, and only the 3rd time they have a chance until Black fuses into Fusion Zamasu. Vegito shows up for 5 minutes, does a cool fight but gets shafted by shitty retcons :toei ,Trunks gets Hax with spirit sword and defeats fusion zamasu, until infinite zamasu shows up, they call zeno and he destroys all the universes in the future. The form feels so underwhelming in my opinion.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

And then the ToP replaces it with Ultra Instinct. Fuck you, :toei

 

[Classic Adamas]

All transformations in Super look like shit.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Most transformations after SSJ were underwhelming beyond SS2 Gohan and didn't impact the plot in much of a meaningful way other than perhaps SSG against Boris. That's not to defend SSB though which not only looks completely uncreative, but is the least impactful of all SSJ forms in the franchise other than maybe the Grade ones.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Hey, Grade-II at-least got to look impressive against second-stage Cell.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Nothing essential when Toriyama could've simply had post-Rosat SSJ Veggie be that strong.

At least it had manly pythons rather than dyed hair though.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

The idea was to go beyond Super-Saiyan, so they first had to show the Grade forms to show how that was the wrong way to go about it.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Still doesn't make Grade 2 necessary when the speed loss seems to be minimal.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I didn't think there was any speed-loss since the muscles didn't become outrageously big like with Grade-III.

Maybe unproportionally at-best.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Exactly, making very little "flaw" in it MSSJ needed to improve on beyond maybe stamina. Despite that, it just got phased out almost immediately. If it was really a necessary form, it'd either be shown to have a major flaw or be used against the Cell Junior. Instead, it's forgotten about as though it never existed, because it didn't need to.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Maybe it's essential to never know about or forget the transformation to achieve Super-Saiyan 2.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

If that's the case, definitely has Super Saiyan God Super Ultra Instinct 4 Kaioken.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

SSJB is shit.

 

[Void]

Super Saiyan Blue is just a lazy re-coloring with a convoluted and lazy explanation. "Super Saiyan stacked on top of Super Saiyan God." Why is it Blue? How did they unlock it? Did Vegeta unlock SSG to get SSB?

but is the least impactful of all SSJ forms in the franchise other than maybe the Grade ones.

Is it less impactful than SS3? Super Saiyan Blue at least has some wins under it's belt.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Is it less impactful than SS3? Super Saiyan Blue at least has some wins under it's belt.

SS3 at least felt like a necessity when Boo raised the power scale and was at least treat like a barely matched peak of power for a few chapters. SSB on the other hand was at a disadvantage in it's first match and didn't have anything unique or battle altering that couldn't have just been given to SSG, especially anime-wise where it's only slightly necessary moments in the manga (overcoming Hit's full power timeskip and utilising bursts against Black) are just changed to powering up beyond it and getting Rosat gainz respectively. Hell, the former isn't even a necessary case when you have Galu jumping from SSJ to SSG and then SSB, whereas you could've just had him fighting in SSJ, then SS2 and then SSG if removing Blue from the plot.

 

[Ultimate Cell]

At least SSJ3 design is orginal, SSB is Toriyama spending 5 minutes in Photoshop.

 

[Void]

Is it less impactful than SS3? Super Saiyan Blue at least has some wins under it's belt.

SS3 at least felt like a necessity when Boo raised the power scale and was at least treat like a barely matched peak of power for a few chapters. SSB on the other hand was at a disadvantage in it's first match and didn't have anything unique or battle altering that couldn't have just been given to SSG, especially anime-wise where it's only slightly necessary moments in the manga (overcoming Hit's full power timeskip and utilising bursts against Black) are just changed to powering up beyond it and getting Rosat gainz respectively. Hell, the former isn't even a necessary case when you have Galu jumping from SSJ to SSG and then SSB, whereas you could've just had him fighting in SSJ, then SS2 and then SSG if removing Blue from the plot.

SS3 still comes out of nowhere with no real reasoning for it's existence. We're never told how Goku obtained it or when. Then Gotenks somehow learns it a week or two despite not even having SS2 before entering the RoSaT. I could deal with these things if SS3 had actually accomplished something, but it just ended up being an incredibly straining form that never beats anyone.

Though all these asspulls in the Boo arc do set the premise for Super's mindless power ups.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

SS3 still comes out of nowhere with no real reasoning for it's existence. We're never told how Goku obtained it or when. Then Gotenks somehow learns it a week or two despite not even having SS2 before entering the RoSaT. I could deal with these things if SS3 had actually accomplished something, but it just ended up being an incredibly straining form that never beats anyone.

Most of that applies for SSB too though.

 

[Void]

SS3 still comes out of nowhere with no real reasoning for it's existence. We're never told how Goku obtained it or when. Then Gotenks somehow learns it a week or two despite not even having SS2 before entering the RoSaT. I could deal with these things if SS3 had actually accomplished something, but it just ended up being an incredibly straining form that never beats anyone.

Most of that applies for SSB too though.

Then let's agree that they're both underwhelming and nigh useless forms since I already trashed SSB in my OP. :mikey

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

While the appearance is is just meh but I like how it's still treated as a strongest form and maintained it for a long time something that SS2/SS3/SSG weren't.