Arc Zamasu / Manga

[Animelover5487]

Vegeta trained in the rosat.

 

[Papasmurf]

Vegeta trained in the rosat.

we're talking about before the first fight with Black/Future Zamasu

 

[SIAD]

I went back to editing the numbers. Add Future Zamasu to the list.

I also have Goku Black SSJR >>>> Vegeta SSJB (First Trip to the Future), because Goku Black SSJR was very confident in defeating Vegeta with a hypothetical new transformation over SSJB. Then Vegeta SSJG (Post Rosat) is able to dodge blows from Goku Black SSJR. SSJG Goku, being very tired from the Mafuba's failed attempt, was humiliating Future Zamasu in a worse way compared to his SSJB form in the 1st match.

Surely Vegeta and Goku in the second trip to the Future had the same power, but Goku was strengthened by fighting Merged Zamasu while being very tired and that made Goku far surpass Vegeta in equal ways.

Vegeta recently in Manga 27 managed to match Goku, not only obtaining the PSSJB, but also having to strengthen himself a lot in all his forms.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Seems bizarre that Trunks' power doesn't increase much at all from training with Vegeta while Goku and Vegeta get huge increases...

Where is it said that he didn’t?

 

[SIAD]

I think Future Trunks did get stronger, since he went from having a phobia of Goku Black to wanting to fight him. Only when they learned that Goku Black had also gotten stronger in that time lapse did Vegeta comment that Future Trunks is no match for Goku Black.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I’m pretty sure when Vegeta says “I can see why Trunks was no match for you” he’s comparing Black to Trunks as how he was before. No idea why you guys would think it’s a comparison to a stronger, current Trunks who hasn’t fought Black yet.

 

[SIAD]

I’m pretty sure when Vegeta says “I can see why Trunks was no match for you” he’s comparing Black to Trunks as how he was before. No idea why you guys would think it’s a comparison to a stronger, current Trunks who hasn’t fought Black yet.

Extraordinary point friend.

What happens is that I always thought that he spoke of Future Trunks (Current) perhaps due to some translation error of the Manga Subtitled into Spanish.

 

[Goku9001]

I was thinking Trunks didn't improve that much since he was impressed that Goku Black had gotten much stronger since their last encounter.

 

[Papasmurf]

I was thinking Trunks didn't improve that much since he was impressed that Goku Black had gotten much stronger since their last encounter.

And if he was anywhere near SSJ2 Vegeta's level he'd be on Black's level too which isn't suggested. So somehow Trunks got smaller gains than Goku and Vegeta despite being a half-breed (and gaining significantly larger gains in the first RoSaT trip than Vegeta did). Doesn't add up.

 

[SIAD]

I think Future Trunks SSJ2 "Improved" reached the power of Goku Black SSJ (Vs Future Trunks), but Goku Black SSJ had gotten a lot stronger in that time lapse.

I also believe that Future Trunks SSJ2 "Improved" surpassed the power of Goku Black Base (Vs Vegeta), since it clearly shows a confrontation between the 2 of them. Goku Black started in Base state and ended up in SSJR.

 

[Goku9001]

And if he was anywhere near SSJ2 Vegeta's level he'd be on Black's level too which isn't suggested. So somehow Trunks got smaller gains than Goku and Vegeta despite being a half-breed (and gaining significantly larger gains in the first RoSaT trip than Vegeta did). Doesn't add up.

It wouldn't make sense regardless for Trunks' Super Saiyan 2 to be weaker than Vegeta's. This is a subjective argument you are making.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

But SSJ2 Vegeta literally is stronger than Trunks. And it makes sense too based on BoGs. In the movie (can’t remember in the anime) Beerus even praises Goku and Vegeta to Whis in the end, so it doesn’t look like the rage boost faded.

 

[Goku9001]

But SSJ2 Vegeta literally is stronger than Trunks. And it makes sense too based on BoGs. In the movie (can’t remember in the anime) Beerus even praises Goku and Vegeta to Whis in the end, so it doesn’t look like the rage boost faded.

Super Saiyan God wasn't something Goku could call upon so the argument doesn't hold.