Are the Current Earthlings (and maybe Jaco) stronger than we realise?

[Captain Cadaver]

I think most of us would peg Kuririn, Yamcha, Tenshinhan and Chaozu as being not much different than their Cell Arc selves after their training. However, there may be some evidence to suggest something different.

After being given energy by Moro, two prisoners seemingly of Jiren's race were able to go up against SSJ Goku/Vegeta.

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Those same prisoners were later shown being subordinates to Yuzun, and were in general treat as irrelevant compared to the core members of Saganbo's group, some of whom the Earthlings (and, in the case of Shimorekka, Jaco) are shown to be more or less on par with.
There's also this line from Tenshinhan after Goku oneshots Zauyogi:

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Comes off as quite redundant to point out this trope if he and Yamcha were still as irrelevant as ever, don't you think? It also makes a lot of the nonsense in the arc such as Kuririn's Ki being easier to sense than fatigued Gohan or Shimorekka not getting oneshotted by #18 make a lot more sense too.

So, would you say the likes of Kuririn and co. have indeed surpassed the level of U6 Arc SSJ Goku and, if not, what counter evidence would there be for this?

 

[SSJ2]

In the anime Krillin was equal to SSJB Goku, so this should be expected.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

After being surprised by Frost tanking his Kikoho back in the ToP, I think even looking in the mirror and seeing he has 3 eyes is enough to shock Tenshinhan 2

 

[Pyro]

Why the hell is Tenshinhan surprised that Base Goku KO'd someone strong enough to push them around? Goku is running on god ki at this point and he saw what Goku could do in the tournament. This is almost as nonsense as his statement on Android Saga SSJ Goku compared to Yardrat Goku.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

After being surprised by Frost tanking his Kikoho back in the ToP, I think even looking in the mirror and seeing he has 3 eyes is enough to shock Tenshinhan 2

That is true, considering it's apparent Frost didn't make any GAINZ since the U6 tournament. However, the rest of the evidence does seem to stand.

Why the hell is Tenshinhan surprised that Base Goku KO'd someone strong enough to push them around? Goku is running on god ki at this point and he saw what Goku could do in the tournament. This is almost as nonsense as his statement on Android Saga SSJ Goku compared to Yardrat Goku.

It was Base Goku though, and it's been shown that even those without God Ki can catch up to or surpass that level in Super such as Piccolo as of the U6 tournament and beyond.

That said, it's also worth pointing out the gains the other characters made, such as Gohan becoming far stronger than at the ToP and Piccolo seemingly catching up to him, not to mention #18 seeming to be in #17's league now. It definitely wouldn't be a stretch to say even the Earthlings have benefitted from some Tracetaro fapping.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

No, I'd say they've become considerably more dumber than they were in Z.

 

[SIAD]

After being surprised by Frost tanking his Kikoho back in the ToP, I think even looking in the mirror and seeing he has 3 eyes is enough to shock Tenshinhan 2

However, from the ToP to the Actual Arc it has been a while and the Z Warriors have trained.

 

[SIAD]

I think most of us would peg Kuririn, Yamcha, Tenshinhan and Chaozu as being not much different than their Cell Arc selves after their training. However, there may be some evidence to suggest something different.

After being given energy by Moro, two prisoners seemingly of Jiren's race were able to go up against SSJ Goku/Vegeta.

Spoiler

Those same prisoners were later shown being subordinates to Yuzun, and were in general treat as irrelevant compared to the core members of Saganbo's group, some of whom the Earthlings (and, in the case of Shimorekka, Jaco) are shown to be more or less on par with.
There's also this line from Tenshinhan after Goku oneshots Zauyogi:

Spoiler

Comes off as quite redundant to point out this trope if he and Yamcha were still as irrelevant as ever, don't you think? It also makes a lot of the nonsense in the arc such as Kuririn's Ki being easier to sense than fatigued Gohan or Shimorekka not getting oneshotted by #18 make a lot more sense too.

So, would you say the likes of Kuririn and co. have indeed surpassed the level of U6 Arc SSJ Goku and, if not, what counter evidence would there be for this?

Very interesting. Do you think Yuzun is superior to OG71I Base?

With my current numbers I have Goku and Vegeta Base >> Goku SSJ3 (ToP).

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Very interesting. Do you think Yuzun is superior to OG71I Base?

Most likely. 73's best feat without relying on someone's power to copy is managing to successfully sneak-attack Piccolo, which probably only requires him to be in his range. Meanwhile, Yuzun ought to be stronger than Pre-training SSJ Goku/Vegeta who in turn should be stronger than Piccolo, and Saganbo believing Yuzun to be unbeatable when he transforms ought to place him at least above 73's base level.

 

[Boo Brand Milk]

The hoomans were stronger than Frieza in the Cell saga. By Super? They're probably as strong as Cell in order to level up with the plot.

The only thing stupider than this is believing that they're still barely stronger than filler-Ginyu Force.

 

[SIAD]

Very interesting. Do you think Yuzun is superior to OG71I Base?

Most likely. 73's best feat without relying on someone's power to copy is managing to successfully sneak-attack Piccolo, which probably only requires him to be in his range. Meanwhile, Yuzun ought to be stronger than Pre-training SSJ Goku/Vegeta who in turn should be stronger than Piccolo, and Saganbo believing Yuzun to be unbeatable when he transforms ought to place him at least above 73's base level.

Super Yuzun should be> Goku SSJ3 (Pre training with Merus)?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

It's possible, but not really supported by much. Saganbo's statement would refer to how they compared prior to Moro giving them energy and it's likely Saganbo's position as Moro's second-in-command provided Moro the incentive to give him a greater boost. It's quite apparent that not all the prisoners got given the same boost as Saganbo when, if they did, Goku and Vegeta should've been instantly overwhelmed by Saganbo's group alone.

 

[SIAD]

It's possible, but not really supported by much. Saganbo's statement would refer to how they compared prior to Moro giving them energy and it's likely Saganbo's position as Moro's second-in-command provided Moro the incentive to give him a greater boost. It's quite apparent that not all the prisoners got given the same boost as Saganbo when, if they did, Goku and Vegeta should've been instantly overwhelmed by Saganbo's group alone.

So I only have Super Yuzun> Goku SSJ2 (Pre training with Merus).

As for Jaco, how strong do you have him compared to the current humans? I personally have Krillin, Tenshinhan, Yamcha and Roshi close to the level of Goku Base (Post God).

 

[Captain Cadaver]

If we're to take his feats seriously and consider how he scaled to them prior, he ought to still be weaker than Kuririn, Tenshinhan, Roshi, Yamcha and maybe Chaozu, though likely not by too much.

 

[SIAD]

If we're to take his feats seriously and consider how he scaled to them prior, he ought to still be weaker than Kuririn, Tenshinhan, Roshi, Yamcha and maybe Chaozu, though likely not by too much.

And when did Jaco make that super jump of power, I mean to go from being inferior to Vegeta (Arc Saiyan) to a level close to that of Goku Base (Post God)? Will it be in the same Arc Moro?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Likely from the time the other characters spent training between Shimorekka's group's first and second visit to Earth.

 

[SIAD]

Likely from the time the other characters spent training between Shimorekka's group's first and second visit to Earth.

Check out chapter 53 of the DBS Manga and Jaco manages to defend himself quite well against Shimorekka's. Therefore his giant power increase must have been between the time Goku went to train with Merus, until the arrival of OG73I on Earth for the first time.